Streetsblog Capitol Hill Q&A: Blumenauer Talks Economic Recovery
7:09 AM PST on December 3, 2009
On the issue of clean transportation, from transit to bike paths to
water quality, few members of Congress are as knowledgeable or active
as Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-OR). Chairman of the Congressional Bicycle
Caucus and founder of the new Livable Communities Task Force,
the Portland lawmaker is on the front lines of Washington's biggest
infrastructure debates. Streetsblog Capitol Hill spoke with him
yesterday about the prospects for transportation in the coming jobs
bill, which he has said could be paid for in part with Wall Street bailout money. Below is a lightly edited transcript of the discussion.
SCH: There is a growing focus
on Capitol Hill on new infrastructure investments as part of a jobs
bill that moves separately from the six-year transportation bill. What
are your thoughts on the merits of moving on new spending versus a
broader long-term bill?
EB: There is a
terrific and very important complementary opportunity. Make no mistake,
we need to have a six-year blueprint for how we rebuild and renew
America for transportation. We've got a lot of work that has been done
for last two-and-a-half years by the transportation committee; they're
in the home stretch. Literally, in a month, they could have a finalized
version [of a six-year federal bill] and work it through with the
administration, send it over to the Senate.
That's not to
say we shouldn't be looking for opportunties to put people to work
tomorrow, and the two are not by any stretch of the imagination
mutually exclusive. We have so many transit agencies with deferred
maintenance [needs], so many bridges that are functionally obsolete or
I recently finished a conversation with Gov.
[Ed] Rendell [D-PA], and the opportunities in his state are amazing.
Lieutenant Gov. Dick Ravitch in New York, he's got literally billions
of dollars of things that need to be done. I'd be prepared to argue
that we should go ahead with a big, comprehensive transportation bill,
but there's no reason we cannot put money out the door, literally
within weeks, that can put tens of thousands of people to work in
virtually every state in the union within a matter of months. Done
right, the [two bills] will complement each other.
Clearly speed is a big concern, given that the goal is to put people to
work quickly on projects. But we saw a lot of, for example, paving
projects funded by the stimulus that may have created jobs but didn't
address larger problems with crumbling infrastructure. To what extent
should the quality of transportation projects, and the need for a "fix-it-first" requirement, be a factor?
Fix-it-first should be the watchword, so that we're dealing with areas
that are the higher priority. I personally wouldn't have rushed things
through quite as quickly as what happened last winter, 10 months ago.
We had an opportunity [with the stimulus] -- people wanted to do good
work, and they wanted to make sure things were done quickly. Those
don't always align, but as a practical matter, all the evidence
suggests [the stimulus] made a big difference. Ironically, people are
criticizing it for not having as much impact as they maybe would like,
but 40 percent of this whole package was dealing with tax adjustments,
tax cuts and the alternative minimum tax. Only about 4 percent of the
total package was real bricks and mortar infrastructure, which created
26 percent of the jobs.
But you need a predictable
blueprint going forward, not something that's stop-and-start, 'hurry up
now and there will be something in six months when the money runs out'.
We need the overall picture, and some guidelines that hopefully put
more of that money back in our metro areas, not just have it captured
at the state level. Some states were pretty good at [apportioning
transport aid], other states had different priorities that didn't
include spending it quickly or weren't necessarily putting it where
there was the greatest need.
This is an ongoing problem, by the way -- Texas has been concerned
about being a "donor state" [in terms of the federal gas tax], but the
Dallas metro area ... last I checked, Dallas was getting back 78 cents
[from the state] for every dollar they invested in transportation. The
metro areas are being, frankly, shortchanged even though they're the
areas where congestion is worst, where there is the most concentration
of jobs and where infrastructure movement creates bottlenecks and
difficulties in moving freight. There are things we can do with this
pack to focus its delivery, I think, learning from the [first
SCH: It sounds like you see "fix-it-first" having a role to play in the package, in terms of choosing projects on a merit basis.
We need to have a certain degree of flexibility. You want to set goals
and guidelines to have people held accountable; there's no reason that
we can't condition some of this [on whether] people are going to use
this money effectively to solve transportation problems ... the
American Society of Civil Engineers has graded our national
infrastructure a D. They think it's going to take 25 years [to make
necessary repairs]. There's no reason we we shouldn't be able to do
SCH: Let's talk about how to pay
for this. You've proposed to use unspent bailout money, and there's
support for it on the Senate side, but signs that the White House may not agree. Do you think the president can be convinced?
I think the White House is going to be facing some very real challenges
with the depth of the economic hole we're in. I think people, frankly,
understated the problem last time [during the stimulus debate];
remember, in the House, we wanted to do a bigger bill. We're moving
into a period where the size of the deficit is going to loom larger
and larger as an area of concern. Putting together a package that
combines maybe a little of this money that would otherwise go to Wall
Street, giving it to Main Street, I think it has great appeal.
Congress does its job by advancing a broader agenda and a reasonable
mechanism for financing it, then it's kind of, well, the other players
can put up or shut up. We can set the stage and move forward.
job piece of this equation has continued to haunt us for the last year.
This so-called jobless recovery suggests it's going to [linger into]
next year as well. We're likely, in the summer, to have double-diitg
unemployment even if everything works right. Construction unemployment,
I'm hearing from the national numbers something like 18 percent, but if
you look at the regions ... we're looking at big numbers this next
year: 25, 30 percent or more unemployed.
Which segues into another aspect of the funding -- how much of this
jobs package can, or needs to be, offset [by spending cuts elsewhere in
the budget]. Blue Dogs in the House and some Democratic senators are
likely to push for that.
EB: Part of
this is smoking people out. There are some people who are all in favor
of big authorization [bills] but a little shy about putting money on
There is a consensus in America that people care
enough about improving their quality of life, protecting the
environment, strengthening roads, transit, parks, bridges, parkways. We
could focus entirely on clean water -- this has overwhelming public
support. Frank Luntz [a longtime Republican pollster] did the most recent poll
I saw in this area, and found a majority of Republicans, Democrats, and
independents alike would increase their taxes to pay for
Ronald Reagan understood and supported
a nickel-per-gallon gas tax increase, back when that was a big chunk of
money, in the mid-1980s. There are any number of mechanisms. There is
the transactions fee
that Prime Minister Gordon Brown mentioned in Great Britain last month.
There is a broad range of interests and individuals that want to be a
part of [expanding] infrastructure and want to [do so] without
If we embark upon an aggressive program of
rebuilding and renewing America, everything from high-speed rail to
bridges to streetcars to parks and water, it's going to generate huge
amounts of other economic activity. It's going to create tax revenue,
going to put people to work. Our models don't pick that up [by using]
present-value accounting, the tangible effects of making our transit
systems more efficient, converting our public facilities from energy
sinks, cleaning up Superfund sites where the contamination is in danger
of getting worse. The evidence is compelling that strategic
infrastructure investment really sparks and leverages other
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