Ending Metro’s Rush Hour Ban on Bikes Comes at a Steep Cost

Today at noon, Metro staff held a special briefing on a series of proposed rule changes that would make it legal for bikes to be on all Metro trains at all times.  However, this change comes at a steep cost to bike riders, the new rules also dictate that there should be no more than two bikes on any Metro rail car at any time.

Presenting for Metro was Hector Rodriguez, a long-time cyclist who tried to keep the focus of the presentation positive.  However, instead of a celebratory tone about increased bike access, the meeting became a contentious ones with Metro staff stating the case that because a bike takes up three times as much space as a regular rider, that restrictions need to be in place.  However, no such restrictions were proposed for any other users, be they carrying luggage, pushing baby strollers or transporting a Christmas Tree.

As members of the Los Angeles County Bike Coalition, Los Angeles Bike Advisory Committee, Caltrans Bike Advisory Committee and others complained that this new policy, while better than existing policy, still treats cyclists as second class citizens.  Staff argued that they’ve been taking baby steps that are pushing things in the right direction such as the removal of seats on Red and Purple Line trains.

Of course, the benefit of that seat removal is somewhat mitigated if only two bikes are allowed in the car.  While staff insisted that these rules wouldn’t be enforced on situations where cars have space for more cyclists, but I think we all know that when people in power have the chance to abuse a rule, someone will step up and do so.

So what should Metro do and what should they have done?  While I think the intentions were good, after all we’re not discussing a full ban such as they have on BART trains or anything as severe as that, there’s still a lot of room for improvement.  The mantra that "we’re trying to do something for you" doesn’t ring as true when cyclists aren’t involved in the process until the end.  The only way to insure that the people you’re trying to do a favor for actually want that favor is to involve them in the process at the start, not the finish.  The proposed rules are on the Programming Committee Agenda next week and will probably move from there to the full Metro Board later this month.

But what can Metro staff do to make the rules better?  For starters, they should treat their "heavy rail" cars different from the "light rail" cars when writing rules.  On Red and Purple Line cars, there is a dedicated open space for people commuting with wheels.  On Blue, Gold and Green Line cars, cyclists are being asked to park their cars in the articulated areas.  If there’s no way around placing some restrictions on cyclists there should be flexibility in those restrictions written into the rules based on both type of car and time of day.  Having a restriction on bicycles during the most congested hours is a debatable policy.  Having a hard rule about the number of bikes on trains in off-peak hours is patently ridiculous.

The most popular suggestion in the room was instead of having a series of rules and restrictions, why not just have a "standing area" in every car where people can stand and "hang out" with their bikes, strollers, Christmas Trees or other freight.  That way, Metro can actually increase the carrying capacity for each car and provide adequate space for anyone that has something to carry with them.  However, that solution isn’t in the mix yet because it hasn’t been adequately studied and funding would need to be identified.

  • KateNonymous

    Well, at least that’s consistent. Cyclists now can be second-class citizens to exactly the same degree they are on buses. But I’m sure Metro thinks that’s perfectly reasonable.

  • M

    Assuming this isn’t accepted or something else delays the changes, I’ve wondered is if some effort could be put into clearly marking suitable bike paths on the streets in the areas where bikes aren’t allowed on the trains during rush hours. This would help people get to a place where they could board with their bikes.

    For example, I’ve ended up at Union Station at 5:30pm, needing to travel toward North Hollywood with my bike. Since this is a prohibited time to have my bike on the train, I had to bike from Union Station to Wilshire/Vermont. Considering I was completely unfamiliar with the neighborhoods between these 2 destinations, the street conditions, the traffic, the hills (and there are many compared to some of the areas I normally bike!!), etc., I just had to guess as to what would be an optimal bike route. I don’t think I was the first person to end up in this situation, yet I had a very difficult time trying to find out what the “recommended” route to travel between these destinations would be. Having a marked bike path would have been extremely helpful.

  • Does Metro bring up any issues they’ve had with bikes? Any concerns that riders have expressed?

    Why not just turn the existing de facto policy into the official policy – something along the lines of: bikes (like everything else) should only go where there’s enough space for them.

    Also “two per car” – does this apply to blue line cars – where there’s space for at least 2 bikes at each end? Hence it should be 4 (or probably 6) per car easily…

  • Joe:

    Staff brought up problems with bikes blocking exits and specific incidents where after a Midnight Ridazz ride Gold Line cars were taken over by cyclists.

    Yes, it applies to all rail cars. Red, Blue, Gold, Green, Purple, Expo etc.

    M:

    I just tried to bike from Metro HQ to home (usually I walk through Union Station) and the lack of clear markings probably cost me 15 minutes, so I’m feeling your pain.

  • Spokker

    In San Jose the light rail system can accommodate six bikes per train. They have bike racks that can fit four bikes and two are allowed elsewhere in the train.

  • Anonymous

    I’d be interested to know whether California Civil Code sections 2180 and 2181 apply to Metro’s rail operations, and if so, whether Metro’s subway cars and LRVs are considered “fitted for the reception of persons exclusively”:

    2180. A common carrier of persons, unless his vehicle is fitted for
    the reception of persons exclusively, must receive and carry a
    reasonable amount of baggage for each passenger without charge
    [ . . . ]

    2181. Luggage may consist of whatever the passenger takes with him
    for his personal use and convenience, according to the habits or
    wants of the particular class to which he belongs, either with
    reference to the important necessities or to the ultimate purposes of
    his journey. [ . . . ] No crate
    cover or other protection shall be required for any bicycle carried
    as luggage, but no passenger shall be entitled to carry as luggage
    more than one bicycle.

    It’s clear that Metro is a common carrier of persons; unlike the airlines and Amtrak, they aren’t exempted from state regulation by Federal laws; and in other sections of the Civil Code (like 2184 and 2185), the Legislature specifically exempted street railroads or municipal transportation systems, which they did not for sections 2180 and 2181, suggesting that they should apply.

  • 72HW

    I am just wondering if anyone has ever been denied entrance to, or been asked to leave, a Metro car due to having their bike on board during the prohibited times. I used to use the Gold and Red lines daily with my bike, well within the No-No times and never once got so much as the evil eye from the ticket takers.

    I have even been told by both uniformed police and Metro staff members that the bike prohibition between certain hours was never meant to be enforced with any degree of authority.

    Could this new 2 bike rule be any different? I mean really, unless they have a badge on every car regulating who gets on or off at any given moment, how could it be?

  • User1

    These changes are a step back, who’s seeing this as progress? I’ll take the restrictions before this change over this any day. This 2 bikes per car will be the kiss of death for me. I take the Blue Line alot and they cut down to a two car train after 8pm I think. Everyone gets crammed into two cars. I wish metro would look at some of the stuff they do. Anyways the way it’s been the last year or so is not bad. Could be better but not bad. After this change there’s going to be all kinds of people being bumped off. They never really thought this through. For instance what happens if the third person gets on the train and claims to be the second? I’ve seen more than two bicyclist get in a car before, how you going to control that and be fair? What happens to people taking the last train? Which happens to be my situation.

    The way it’s been for all the time I’ve been riding the Blue Line, which has been about 5 years now, was that we accommodated up to four bikes on each end of the cars. It was rather rare to see four bikes but it does happen. No one panicked, no one raise a fuss. Three bikes on each end was no big deal. There was even room further in where the other doors open. Blue Line has the doors all open on one side. So people can use the other side that isn’t opening. The point being is that we managed just fine. Now this hampers alot of people.

  • DJB

    “Pushing things in the right direction such as the removal of seats on Red and Purple Line trains”

    I have to disagree with this characterization. Removing seats on transit may benefit cyclists, but it hurts other transit riders, who have to endure a less comfortable ride. I fear the net effect could be to REDUCE transit ridership.

    I think your best point is the lack of consistency in the rules. If bikes are restricted during peak hours, then, yes, it also makes sense to restrict large amounts of luggage. I don’t think it makes sense to restrict strollers, since they contain transit riders.

    Ultimately, the need to serve the interests of the majority of riders is one of the drawbakcs of transit. To get a customized bike-accomodating experience that meets your need during the peak periods, you may have to drive. Transit strives for the greatest good for the greatest number, and cyclists are still a minority of transit riders in LA.

  • M

    DBJ, I’m not sure how much the removed seats will impact the total comfort of people on the trains without bikes in a negative manner. So far, they have removed 2 additional chairs (1 seat unit) per a red/purple line train. The seats they moved were frankly more of the sketchy seats that faced a corner and the “one way” window facing the cab area. These seats, opposed to most others, were more frequently used by people dealing with their daily “clean-up” routines (make up, hair fixing, tooth brushing, sleeping) as well as common teenager type hang out areas (making out, taking pictures with flash, etc.)

    I am with User1 on this though. Making a rule of 2 bikes only seems like it is just opening up a can of worms. What if 3 people with bikes try to get on simultaneously? What if someone can’t read (sadly, I get the impression that a decent number of people riding the train can’t read or can’t see well enough to read) and they get on at the “wrong” entrance? Is someone expected to survey the entire car before entering with their bike?

    As for people getting in trouble with their bikes, I have seen a couple of people ticketed in the past from having their bikes on the train. I’ve also noticed some of these people do not take their bikes on the trains after that. I’ve also seen the same person take their bike down the escalator, day after day, and then abandon their bike by proping it against the door on the redline and watched it roll around and slam into multiple people’s leg while the owner sits down on a seat with no consequences. And yes, I did try to talk to the person about this as he shoved the bike into my leg to get me to move out of his “bike” spot where I was standing before he boarded the train.

    Maybe I am being dense, but like some people mentioned, I really don’t understand how there can be a rule about when people have bikes on the train if other people are free to carry huge carts, piles of luggage and other things on the train at any time.

  • In NY a famous advocate had her friends flood a train carrying canoes, kayaks, unicycles, floating pool toys, and all sorts of other means of getting around. Bikes seem like the only banned method of transportation on the MTA’s trains – what’s up with that?

  • Stats Dude

    DJB, I have to disagree with your comment that removing seats to accomodate bicyclists, may reduce the “comfort” of other transit riders.
    You state “Transit strives for the greatest good for the greatest number, and cyclists are still a minority of transit riders in LA.”

    While I am sure it is not your intent, that argument has been made (and refuted) concerning equal access for wheelchairs in public buildings and transport.

    Ideally, transit should strive for the greatest good for “all” transit riders.

  • DJB

    Stats Dude –
    You make a very good point. I certainly don’t begrudge people in wheelchairs some empty space in trains. This is almost certainly a requirement of the Americans with Disabilities Act, as it should be.

    I think this post illustrates an interesting tension between the interests of transit riders who arrive on foot or by car and those who arrive by bike. There’s kind of a basic incompatibility of interests there when space is scarce, and I don’t think there’s any easy solution.

    Personally, I’m biased in favor of the transit riders who arrive on foot, because that’s how I arrive.

  • 2 bikes per train car?! That totally blows. My girlfriend and I often travel on long bike trips together and we take MTA trains for the first leg or to transfer to Amtrak for a further trip. If a single other cyclist is in a train car we would either have to shuffle to another car praying the train doesn’t close the doors, or split up. This is in my mind a huuuuuuuuuge step backwards. Sure I could see the problem with an entire train car being consumed by people and bikes after a Midnight Ridazz ride, but 2 bikes only? What is the point of taking out seats to make more room for bikes if more bikes are not allowed. Retarded logic entirely. Where is the rule for only 2 mothers with strollers per car, or baggage limits for travelers if they are going to get like that. Metro is incompetent, and I think for the first time I am really regretting promoting Measure R.

  • Once again, we get a stillborn bike proposal. When it goes out for public comment, it is already cemented into its current form and the public input is pro forma for the officials. Shouldn’t the public process lead off the starting of an initiative like this?

  • J

    I’ve had several pairs of pants damaged by bikes being forcefully moved thru already crowded rail cars. I’d really prefer some sort of more formal rules that limit where on the cars bikes can be (so I can know to avoid it.)

  • Erik G.

    With the removed seats (seats in that area get ALOT more grafitti and sratchitti BTW) the Red/Purple Line cars, loveingly built by our friends at what is now AnsaldoBreda almost 20 years ago, have WAY MORE space for bikes than the LRV’s of the Blue, Green and Gold lines.

    Does anyone on staff ever ride the system? I truly wonder sometimes.

  • David Galvan

    Since Damien asked for suggestions as to what MTA could do to improve the policy, I’ll oblige:

    1. Insert a line stating that the 2-bike per car restriction does not apply to folded bicycles. This would be consistent with their rationale that a bicycle takes up the room of 2-3 people. Folding bikes do not, and therefore should be excepted from this rule.

    2. I tend to agree that the 2-bike per car rule is a step backward. Perhaps they should limit that rule to only rush-hour time periods. There is no reason to impose such a rule during off-peak hours.

    3. The different rail lines should definitely have their own rules. Red/Purple Line cars, especially with seats removed, could easily accomodate 5 bikes or more. The light rail lines are more hurting for space.

    4. Finally, I’d agree with others who predict these rules are not likely to be enforced, except perhaps during rush hour. So those of you who are worried about the 2-bike limit: I doubt you’ll see any impact at all if you happen to travel during non-peak hours.

  • Metro should dedicate the whole last car of every train to cyclists, strollers, anyone that has something that wouldn’t comfortably fit on the other trains. It should just be a standing rule that everyone knows about, that way if people get on the last car, they can’t complain about cyclists, etc. They will quickly learn that they should sit in the other cars. LA is so spread out that it isn’t convenient for people to always get to where they need to go after taking a train without bringing their bicycle. I know many people who would actually use Metro to commute to work if they had an easier way (bicycle) to get to their next destination after getting off of a train. Metro could also consider redesigning the last car of future trains to accomodate bikes, etc. Let’s think about ways to get people moving, healthier and out of their cars!

  • Instead of the the whole last car, how about just the last 1/4 of the last car? That would be standing room only, and a perfect space for bulkier items and bikes.

    Otherwise, I’m going to put luggage tags on my bikes and insist on my common carrier rights.

  • 72HW

    Adding luggage tags to a bike in order to claim common carrier rights is a novel concept indeed – can you imagine the public uproar if Metro were to create a 2 Stroller Per Car rule?

    I have seen many a kid running around the Red Line while their parents ignore them, crashing into passengers and generally making a nuisance of themselves, multiple storllers parked in my bike space, aisles, piled into two perfectly good seats, etc.

    Maybe I should adopt my bike – would they ticket a proud parent for breaking the 2 Per Car rule?

  • I wish to know how many of those who imagine themselves “second-class citizens” own no motor vehicle. Moreover, who commenting above takes public transit every day, or uses only a bicycle or the bus/train? (Taxis do not count in any fashion, so please don’t whinge about that.)

    Those who own a motor vehicle have no say in this matter, and those who can afford to make a mess in the name of art by flooding the trains with their friends and canoes, et al (NYC has a far greater system and far fewer people with motor vehicles, so I can understand that arty agit-prop; but in L.A. only those who do not need to rely on Metro would do such a dim stunt) need to piss off.

    Once more: if you own a motor vehicle, and especially if you have a bike rack on said conveyance, shove off.

    There are far too many people who have been negatively affected by the removal of seats on the Red Line as well as the almost total lack of enforcement of bikes on the Metro trains during rush hours, for this to be an issue—except to those who imagine themselves as among the oppressed. (I ride the rails and busses every day, first at 6 a.m. or so and then again a few other times before and after the afternoon rush and IO know what I am stating—so don’t make me put up all that footage as one of you might have been recorded.)

  • Count me in as one who feels like a second class citizen who doesn’t own a car. It didn’t really sink into me to think that way until having a car come up behind me and guys in it grab me and throw egg onto my bag and peel off laughing for no other reason than I was a cyclist on the road to mess with. But that wasn’t what really made it feel that way, it was going to the police station and getting police cold face response like it doesn’t matter. Ironically the only time I am in a car anymore is to carpool out to bicycle road races, go figure.

    What bothers me about this proposed rule change is the inflexible nature of saying only 2 bikes per train car, especially to say that limit all the time and with no distinction between the car size differences on the red/purple line and the light rail. I’m fine with placing constraints on rush hours, space is limited and many other transit agencies have limits or bans at rush hour. But frankly there are many off peak times when the train has plenty of space, and at least for me personally, I’m only riding the rails with my bike at off peak times. My work commute is all by bike. So from my perspective anyways, to lift the rush hour ban but replace it with a 2 bike per car limit makes the train a serious hassle. Since most of my off peak Metro time is mixing bikes and trains with my girl friend, we would constantly run into the limit problem since there are 2 of us. That is assuming they enforced it which they won’t because they don’t enforce anything even when they should.

  • Randall,

    Cool, so having a bike on a train makes me no longer a transit user?

    How about this, I’m hanging my backpack on my bike which is now magically transported into being a luggage carrier for my bags – what is the difference between me and the confused European tourists on the Green Line?

    Bikes don’t show up on the train by themselves – they are driven there by cyclists. Cyclist is a word for a human being using a bike. A human on transit is a transit system user. Let’s be honest, this is a policy to reduce the number of transit system users also using bikes – which is a stupid, stupid, stupid policy.

  • I don’t like the two bicycles on a train rule, but I also don’t like the five cyclists bumping into me when I’m trying to get in and out of the train. It’s truly not a enough room for more than two. It’s annoying to those who don’t have as much stuff. I don’t take my bike on the train, because I feel like it’s rude, but that’s besides the point. That fact that certain people have no manners is something I’ve come to tolerate in Los Angeles.

    I don’t like the two bicycle rule on the train or the no cyclists on a train rules for this reason.

    I take the Blue Line.

    I see lots and lots of young Latino and African-American boys on their bikes on the Blue Line. People who are harrassed simply walking up the street. These group of people are regular denied jobs, given shitty educations by a public school system, beat up by cops even when they are not on their bicycles and not doing anything. And when I’m on the Blue Line I always see the Sheriffs sniffing around these boys, waiting for them to do something wrong.

    This law isn’t going to bother the bicyclist on the Red Line who are on some eco kick, this rule is going to impact real second class citizens. It’s going to give the cops a reason to bother young African-American and Latino boys and this is why I don’t like it.

    Browne

  • Ubrayj02,

    Where did I make such a statement as to even imply you are no longer a transit user? One wonders that some who spent years analyzing policy for a state assemblyman, might make such an accusation. Did you not diligently analyze my comments, or did you hope to make me come off as a jerk?

    Perhaps all you “second-class citizens” should get together so as to prevent the behaviour of each other that I have too often observed, such as leaving bikes unattended on the Red Line platforms while blocking passage, taking up five seats on the Gold Line while others stand, or running one’s giant bike into other straphangers. Once that is done, and there is less animosity toward you people because of a fair amount of you being so obnoxious with your bikes, then we might talk.

    Gary, I understand your concerns. You might recall my own bicycle misadventures as far back as 2000, when I was nearly run over by a driver piloting a Metro line #4. That event caused my entire day to be wasted chasing down and having the driver arrested in Santa Monica. I know what it is like. And as a pedestrian with no motor vehicle (nor a girlfriend with a car, as some folk here have) I know what it is like to deal with such shit every day. Moreover, because I refuse to be pushed round, even the LASD deputies all know me by name, and occasionally try to bust my balls. Try having to take the Metro trains every day knowing that an entire corrupt police force who know you on sight by name, and you might understand that I understand all too well what it means to be singled out everywhere. I am confident that all the metro personnel manning the security cameras know me as well, which means I am tracked in that manner too. (I do not hide my camera when I film, and I film conditions on busses and in train stations every day.) I do not even need my bike to enjoy that intense scrutiny of my person.

    However, I find that the way the bike issue is being accommodated by Metro is going to serve only to upset the majority of straphangers. There is a loud noise being made and I can assure you that when the din dies down—owing to the City Council offering some concessions—there will be worse problems because of the stop-gap measures instituted. Ubrayj02 might agree with me personally on this, but he has enough years as an insider to understand exactly what I mean.

  • who should i be writing to? someone on the Planning Committee? or on the Metro Board? does it matter who based on living in Pasadena?

    i almost always use my bike on the Metro with a group of friends, say 2-6 people, as part of a group ride (to a museum, or event). this means i’ve rarely run into the rush-hour-ban restriction on bikes (which i’m not surprised needs revising in some way). it also mean the new 2-bikes-per-car limit will effect my normal use of bike+Metro, during which i’ve never encountered conflicts with other public transit users.

  • David Galvan

    Randall: So, if a transit user takes a bike on a metro line, AND they happen to own a car, they have no right to complain about a new restriction that will affect their transit use? Why, exactly? Because you don’t like cars; therefore people with cars should have no say on any issue you care about?

    Such people are taking bikes an transit as a CHOICE. Not because they are forced to. Are you saying that, because they have the luxury of a choice whether or not to take transit or their cars, their complaints are not valid? If so, it’s rather ironic coming from someone who doesn’t own a car BY CHOICE, and who takes the metro every day BY CHOICE.

  • User1

    Randall BusTard, since you document the conditions of passengers on the train and bus system, do you think you can you provide a pic of how a bicyclist takes up 5 seats on the Gold Line? I was just using the Gold Line yesterday(July 11th) with my bike, and I managed to use one seat for sitting and had my bike against the wall of the pivoting part of the car. My bike was out of the way of everyone and I didn’t feel I infringed on anyone there. Even if I was a complete inconsiderate hog, I think I could have sat in the middle of the four seat bench and have my bike covering these four seats. But even that would falls one short of your claim.

    These rules are proposed, but not implemented. Does anyone know if we have a chance of appealing this? Does Metro have a track record of ignoring sensibility on this issue? I would point out that they can’t take a segment of their riding public, the cyclist, and ignore others that use just as much and in many instances more space than the cyclists. Other segments they ignore are women with strollers, homeless carrying large bags of recyclables, and travels with more than one large bag. Don’t laugh about the homeless with the recyclables, it happens alot on the Blue Line, which is the line I take the most.

    I do favor having seats taken out of the trains for large bulky items, but I don’t really think the Blue Line needs it. If they won’t allow more than two bikes per car, then I’m in favor to have seats taken out in order to get more bikes aboard. Removing seats doesn’t really impact the passengers. Just about every time I’m riding the train, there’s a seat or two open somewhere. What impacts them far more is having cars reduced from 3 to 2 cars in the evenings. This would be another avenue to persuade them from limiting bicycles on the lines. If we’re an impact on safety and convince of other passengers, then increase the number of cars used. Problem solved!

  • I think it’s worth pointing out that when I visited New York I was surprised how few seats there were per car. I’d guess many of the train cars they use there have about 1/2 or even 1/3 the number of seats as our L.A. trains, with more emphasis on accommodating standing room at rush hour, which fits more people, and reserving seats more for people who really need them or for passengers at off peak times when a few seats is all that is needed.

  • Drew Giacobe

    While the move to allow bikes on metro trains at all times is certainly perceived as a benefit to those who commute by a combination of bikes and trains, I honestly can’t see this policy as being enforceable or long-lasting.

    As anyone who rides the train knows, the enforcement of the bike restriction during rush hours has been haphazard at best. Occassionally, a train operator has made an announcement saying that bikes aren’t allowed during those times, and occassionally, I imagine, people with those bikes have gotten a ticket for being there at the wrong time. The enforcement is sparse and people have “gotten away with” having a bike on at the wrong time. Similarly, people will “get away with” having more than 2 bikes on the cars, and metro authorities will be unable to cite anyone for violating the rule because they won’t know who was there first.

    I anticipate that this policy will be revised when the MTA realizes how pointless it actually is in practice.

    I’m not surprised that this sort of short-sighted policy is being put in place by the company that put a mass transit system in place without turnstiles to guarantee that everyone has paid to use it.

  • David Galvan

    Drew, your offhand comment at the end raises another question: When the turnstiles (fare gates) eventually do go in on the red line, how will one get a bike through? How do cyclists deal with this in NY or D.C.?

  • Taking bikes in NYC Metro means using the handicap entrance, however at some train stations there are more than one entrance and only one may have it, and as a tourist not knowing what was what, I once or twice had to exit and cross the street and enter from another side. For entrances with the smaller little turn styles that are only waist high, most cyclists lift the bike over their shoulder as they go through although I think this is discouraged. Some one with a 40 lbs. beach cruiser would probably have a tough time with that and would need to use the handicap entrance.

  • Spokker

    “I’m not surprised that this sort of short-sighted policy is being put in place by the company that put a mass transit system in place without turnstiles to guarantee that everyone has paid to use it.”

    Turnstiles do not guarantee anything. They only serve to confound and annoy, and have zero ability to assist a person in trouble.

  • At the Metro Board, Operations Committee. Fasana just suggested Congestion Pricing for cyclists!

    Antonovich just proposed a robust pursuit of advice and input from LASD, LAFD, ADD folks, cycling community and advice on how to proceed forward. Sept 30.

    Fasana seems to think that the Committee needs to act. Cannell acknowledged that waiting is not a problem. The Attorney agreed that it is okay to wait til September.

    If you want to be involved in the process, give me a shout.

    Stephen@ThirdEyeCreative.net

  • Metro motion to restrict cyclists did not succeed, replaced with a motion to direct staff to investigate further and to involve the cycling community. wOOT!

  • David Galvan

    Thanks SoapBox. Good news.

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