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	<title>Comments on: Why the Festival of Rights Matters</title>
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		<title>By: limit</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/22/why-the-festival-of-rights-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-86461</link>
		<dc:creator>limit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The easy solution is to allow automobiles, bicycle, and pedestrians all at once. This logical separation by mode of travel, bah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The easy solution is to allow automobiles, bicycle, and pedestrians all at once. This logical separation by mode of travel, bah!</p>
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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/22/why-the-festival-of-rights-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-84501</link>
		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taxes on the wealthy pay for everything, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taxes on the wealthy pay for everything, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/22/why-the-festival-of-rights-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-84291</link>
		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say, you wouldn&#039;t happen to be: http://twitter.com/scottkilleen would you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say, you wouldn&#8217;t happen to be: <a href="http://twitter.com/scottkilleen" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/scottkilleen</a> would you?</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/22/why-the-festival-of-rights-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-84281</link>
		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Done!

Tax on the sale of bicycles: 9.75% in Los Angeles!

Guess where a big chunk of that money goes? To pay for roads!

Tax the income of cyclists? Done! Guess where a chunk of that money goes? To pay for roads!

Scott, do you know what percentage, more or less, gas taxes pay for our roads? Depending on how you calculate it, gas taxes and car user fees get close to paying for HALF the expense of providing roads for the public to use. Guess where the other half comes from? General revenues, bonds, sales taxes - funds that everybody has to pay for, regardless of whether they own a car or not.

So, now that you fantasy has been delivered, what say you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Done!</p>
<p>Tax on the sale of bicycles: 9.75% in Los Angeles!</p>
<p>Guess where a big chunk of that money goes? To pay for roads!</p>
<p>Tax the income of cyclists? Done! Guess where a chunk of that money goes? To pay for roads!</p>
<p>Scott, do you know what percentage, more or less, gas taxes pay for our roads? Depending on how you calculate it, gas taxes and car user fees get close to paying for HALF the expense of providing roads for the public to use. Guess where the other half comes from? General revenues, bonds, sales taxes &#8211; funds that everybody has to pay for, regardless of whether they own a car or not.</p>
<p>So, now that you fantasy has been delivered, what say you?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Killeen</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/22/why-the-festival-of-rights-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-84191</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Killeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tax the shit out of bicycles and that will be the day I give a shit about bicyclist! Move to freak&#039;n China where a bicycle means something! Pedal your sorry asses as much as you want and thanks for saving all the gas for me to use.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tax the shit out of bicycles and that will be the day I give a shit about bicyclist! Move to freak&#8217;n China where a bicycle means something! Pedal your sorry asses as much as you want and thanks for saving all the gas for me to use&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Erik G.</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/22/why-the-festival-of-rights-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-83621</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile...

&quot;The City Council’s Arts, Parks, Health and Aging Committee agreed this morning to prohibit smoking within 10 feet of restaurant patios, gardens and decks. “This is a big step forward,” said Councilman Tom LaBonge, whose district includes parts of Hollywood, Silver Lake, Koreatown and North Hollywood.&quot;

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/12/smoking-ban-for-outdoor-restaurant-seating-backed-by-la-council-committee.html

Tobacco smoke bad, Car smoke good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The City Council’s Arts, Parks, Health and Aging Committee agreed this morning to prohibit smoking within 10 feet of restaurant patios, gardens and decks. “This is a big step forward,” said Councilman Tom LaBonge, whose district includes parts of Hollywood, Silver Lake, Koreatown and North Hollywood.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/12/smoking-ban-for-outdoor-restaurant-seating-backed-by-la-council-committee.html" rel="nofollow">http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/12/smoking-ban-for-outdoor-restaurant-seating-backed-by-la-council-committee.html</a></p>
<p>Tobacco smoke bad, Car smoke good.</p>
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		<title>By: SoapBoxLA</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/22/why-the-festival-of-rights-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-83491</link>
		<dc:creator>SoapBoxLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis, 

Flawed logic.

Cyclists are guaranteed their place on the streets. That does not mean that motorists go where cyclists go.

Do motorists drive cars on bike paths? Not legally. Do motorists drive cars on sidewalks? Sometimes but it&#039;s also illegal.

The oft quoted &quot;cyclists have all the rights and responsibilities...&quot; screed leads people to assume that it is that simple. It&#039;s not.

Cyclists have the best of three or four worlds and there are many exceptions.

Cyclists are, in many cases, permitted to ride on sidewalks with peds. Motorists are not. 

Cyclists are permitted on 1000 miles of state highway. Pedestrians are not.

Cyclists enjoy access to transit only lanes. Peds and motorists do not.

Cyclists ride without registration or operator license or insurance requirements. Motorists don&#039;t.

In other words, the law is complicated, imperfect and sometimes full of contradictions. 

But the challenge here is the City of LA&#039;s exclusion of cyclists based on the old tired &quot;It&#039;s for your own safety.&quot; It&#039;s not about the Festival of Lights, it&#039;s about never, ever allowing the exclusion of cyclists to become an acceptable solution when addressing to public safety. 

See you on the Streets!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis, </p>
<p>Flawed logic.</p>
<p>Cyclists are guaranteed their place on the streets. That does not mean that motorists go where cyclists go.</p>
<p>Do motorists drive cars on bike paths? Not legally. Do motorists drive cars on sidewalks? Sometimes but it&#8217;s also illegal.</p>
<p>The oft quoted &#8220;cyclists have all the rights and responsibilities&#8230;&#8221; screed leads people to assume that it is that simple. It&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>Cyclists have the best of three or four worlds and there are many exceptions.</p>
<p>Cyclists are, in many cases, permitted to ride on sidewalks with peds. Motorists are not. </p>
<p>Cyclists are permitted on 1000 miles of state highway. Pedestrians are not.</p>
<p>Cyclists enjoy access to transit only lanes. Peds and motorists do not.</p>
<p>Cyclists ride without registration or operator license or insurance requirements. Motorists don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>In other words, the law is complicated, imperfect and sometimes full of contradictions. </p>
<p>But the challenge here is the City of LA&#8217;s exclusion of cyclists based on the old tired &#8220;It&#8217;s for your own safety.&#8221; It&#8217;s not about the Festival of Lights, it&#8217;s about never, ever allowing the exclusion of cyclists to become an acceptable solution when addressing to public safety. </p>
<p>See you on the Streets!</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/22/why-the-festival-of-rights-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-83401</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ummmm, if a festival can&#039;t be closed to bikes, then will cicLAvia be required to be open to cars?

I&#039;d vote for the street festival dwp light show, and toss in equal days for pedestrians, cyclists, and those in cars.  2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ummmm, if a festival can&#8217;t be closed to bikes, then will cicLAvia be required to be open to cars?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d vote for the street festival dwp light show, and toss in equal days for pedestrians, cyclists, and those in cars.  2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik G.</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/22/why-the-festival-of-rights-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-83381</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t think &quot;I&#039;m just following orders&quot; has been a legitimate excuse since about October 1, 1946.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t think &#8220;I&#8217;m just following orders&#8221; has been a legitimate excuse since about October 1, 1946.</p>
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		<title>By: bent_rider</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/22/why-the-festival-of-rights-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-83251</link>
		<dc:creator>bent_rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The DWP was not so fond of the Mono-Lake-Bike-A-Thon held for 15 years either. It started with cyclists gathering water at their reflecting pool and transporting it by bicycle back to Mono Lake. That is, until the last year, &#039;95 when DWP capitulated and agreed to save mono lake. Mayor Riordan joined us for that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DWP was not so fond of the Mono-Lake-Bike-A-Thon held for 15 years either. It started with cyclists gathering water at their reflecting pool and transporting it by bicycle back to Mono Lake. That is, until the last year, &#8217;95 when DWP capitulated and agreed to save mono lake. Mayor Riordan joined us for that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/22/why-the-festival-of-rights-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-82641</link>
		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why a festival of lights is opened to vehicles of any kind. Driving is not really conducive to oooo&#039;ing and ahhh&#039;ing. It should probably be a pedestrian only event. No Segways either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why a festival of lights is opened to vehicles of any kind. Driving is not really conducive to oooo&#8217;ing and ahhh&#8217;ing. It should probably be a pedestrian only event. No Segways either!</p>
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		<title>By: ramonchu</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/22/why-the-festival-of-rights-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-82541</link>
		<dc:creator>ramonchu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m excited to see where Stephen&#039;s adventures in court will lead to. I still don&#039;t understand how a City as dysfunctional as ours can come together on so many levels (the bureaucrats/officials that is) for events like these? Same with crap like Michael Jackson&#039;s funeral and Laker parades, events that screw the majority of people living in this city, whether in wasted tax dollars or polluting externalities. There must be some darker motive here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m excited to see where Stephen&#8217;s adventures in court will lead to. I still don&#8217;t understand how a City as dysfunctional as ours can come together on so many levels (the bureaucrats/officials that is) for events like these? Same with crap like Michael Jackson&#8217;s funeral and Laker parades, events that screw the majority of people living in this city, whether in wasted tax dollars or polluting externalities. There must be some darker motive here&#8230;</p>
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