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	<title>Comments on: Next Week&#8217;s Big Bike Meeting: Bike Harassment, the LAPD, Bike Planning and More!</title>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Soapbox/Stephen - yes - I will be willing to bring it up if there are no high-level DOT people there. I am certainly not telling you or anyone else what not to do... just recommending what I think can be most effective.

I think it&#039;s better to tailor my message to a good appropropriate ask for the people who are there who can say yes. I suspect that that will be Councilmember Rosendahl, and probably one or two other councilmembers. I think our most effective tactics in a meeting like I expect tomorrow&#039;s to be is to make it clear to councilmembers what they can do to be effective for bikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Soapbox/Stephen &#8211; yes &#8211; I will be willing to bring it up if there are no high-level DOT people there. I am certainly not telling you or anyone else what not to do&#8230; just recommending what I think can be most effective.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s better to tailor my message to a good appropropriate ask for the people who are there who can say yes. I suspect that that will be Councilmember Rosendahl, and probably one or two other councilmembers. I think our most effective tactics in a meeting like I expect tomorrow&#8217;s to be is to make it clear to councilmembers what they can do to be effective for bikes.</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish we could have one person, just one person, get paid to walk the halls collecting votes on a tally sheet for pro-bicycle laws and spending requests. It really wouldn&#039;t take much, but it would turn a day like tomorrow into a powerful, &quot;We came, we saw, we conquered&quot; moment - instead of just another &quot;We blabbed, they listened, and nothing got done the next morning.&quot;

Bikinginla&#039;s Ted Rogers has the right idea with is candidate meetings, and questionnaires. Yet we need to follow up in city halls across the county, to connect the money givers with the department staff - to build a bridge to get the paperwork filled out and the legislator&#039;s votes lined up. We need a legislative director for bikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish we could have one person, just one person, get paid to walk the halls collecting votes on a tally sheet for pro-bicycle laws and spending requests. It really wouldn&#8217;t take much, but it would turn a day like tomorrow into a powerful, &#8220;We came, we saw, we conquered&#8221; moment &#8211; instead of just another &#8220;We blabbed, they listened, and nothing got done the next morning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bikinginla&#8217;s Ted Rogers has the right idea with is candidate meetings, and questionnaires. Yet we need to follow up in city halls across the county, to connect the money givers with the department staff &#8211; to build a bridge to get the paperwork filled out and the legislator&#8217;s votes lined up. We need a legislative director for bikes.</p>
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		<title>By: SoapBoxLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoapBoxLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, If Michelle Mowery is the &quot;wrong&quot; person, would you be willing to protest her appearance and then to ask for the &quot;right&quot; person to address the committee?

She&#039;s not only &quot;the person who can&#039;t say yes&quot; but she&#039;s the person who spends a lot of time saying NO. So much so, that it begins to normalize the &quot;no room for cyclists&quot; position. 

Your point that she is not the correct person to engage is exactly the motivation for simply leaving the room until they replace her with someone who can say YES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, If Michelle Mowery is the &#8220;wrong&#8221; person, would you be willing to protest her appearance and then to ask for the &#8220;right&#8221; person to address the committee?</p>
<p>She&#8217;s not only &#8220;the person who can&#8217;t say yes&#8221; but she&#8217;s the person who spends a lot of time saying NO. So much so, that it begins to normalize the &#8220;no room for cyclists&#8221; position. </p>
<p>Your point that she is not the correct person to engage is exactly the motivation for simply leaving the room until they replace her with someone who can say YES.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/04/next-weeks-big-bike-meeting-bike-harassment-the-lapd-bike-planning-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-62441</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that theater is good and even effective... but I am a bit uncomfortable with walking out of the room to protest an individual. I think it&#039;s better to refute Mowery&#039;s points. I know I differ with a lot of folks out there on this, but I don&#039;t see Mowery as the problem. Mowery is (using a phrase I learned in a campaign training workshop hosted by the national bike alliance folks) &quot;the person who can&#039;t say yes.&quot; As an organizer, that&#039;s not the person that we should target, nor should we spend a lot of our time on. We could protest at Mowery&#039;s office every day of the year, and she still can&#039;t say yes.

It&#039;s critical that we have very clear asks that are targeted toward Councilmembers, Mayor and toward higher level DOT staff (Rita Robinson, John Fisher.) These folks have the power to say yes. They are the people we should target.

(One worry that I have is that, by lumping all the bike stuff together for one meeting, the only high-level people in the room will be a few councilmembers. Will Rita Robinson and John Fisher attend a bike-centric Transportation Committee meeting? Will Councilmembers Parks, LaBonge, Koretz, and Alarcon show late and/or leave early? I hope these folks will respect bicyclists by attending and participating, but I fear not. While I applaud Councilmember Rosendahl for trying to support bikes by focusing on the tomorrow, I wonder if it would be better to have one or two bike items as part of every Transportation Committee meeting... so bikes are seen as an integral part of our entire transportation system... not segregated as a special project now and then... and left out of most of our deliberations.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that theater is good and even effective&#8230; but I am a bit uncomfortable with walking out of the room to protest an individual. I think it&#8217;s better to refute Mowery&#8217;s points. I know I differ with a lot of folks out there on this, but I don&#8217;t see Mowery as the problem. Mowery is (using a phrase I learned in a campaign training workshop hosted by the national bike alliance folks) &#8220;the person who can&#8217;t say yes.&#8221; As an organizer, that&#8217;s not the person that we should target, nor should we spend a lot of our time on. We could protest at Mowery&#8217;s office every day of the year, and she still can&#8217;t say yes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s critical that we have very clear asks that are targeted toward Councilmembers, Mayor and toward higher level DOT staff (Rita Robinson, John Fisher.) These folks have the power to say yes. They are the people we should target.</p>
<p>(One worry that I have is that, by lumping all the bike stuff together for one meeting, the only high-level people in the room will be a few councilmembers. Will Rita Robinson and John Fisher attend a bike-centric Transportation Committee meeting? Will Councilmembers Parks, LaBonge, Koretz, and Alarcon show late and/or leave early? I hope these folks will respect bicyclists by attending and participating, but I fear not. While I applaud Councilmember Rosendahl for trying to support bikes by focusing on the tomorrow, I wonder if it would be better to have one or two bike items as part of every Transportation Committee meeting&#8230; so bikes are seen as an integral part of our entire transportation system&#8230; not segregated as a special project now and then&#8230; and left out of most of our deliberations.)</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, I&#039;ve made up my mind on this.

The LACBC is off the mark calling us all into the room without a legislative/policy/political strategy to get what we need from these elected officials and city staff

BUT

we should try and make (yet another) statement about our engagement in this process.

This means: street theater.

When Mowery talks, we walk - out of the room. When the LAPD talk, we all submit speaker cards and continue to direct questions and dialogue back to issues having to do with their treatment of injured and killed cyclists in LA.

See soapboxla on twitter for more details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, I&#8217;ve made up my mind on this.</p>
<p>The LACBC is off the mark calling us all into the room without a legislative/policy/political strategy to get what we need from these elected officials and city staff</p>
<p>BUT</p>
<p>we should try and make (yet another) statement about our engagement in this process.</p>
<p>This means: street theater.</p>
<p>When Mowery talks, we walk &#8211; out of the room. When the LAPD talk, we all submit speaker cards and continue to direct questions and dialogue back to issues having to do with their treatment of injured and killed cyclists in LA.</p>
<p>See soapboxla on twitter for more details.</p>
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		<title>By: dudeonabike</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/04/next-weeks-big-bike-meeting-bike-harassment-the-lapd-bike-planning-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-59971</link>
		<dc:creator>dudeonabike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with ubrayj02.  The agenda seems a to have a familiar rehash about it and pretty unambitious in the large scheme of things.  And the expected results to come out of the meeting are . . . well, what the heck are they really??  I fear this will be, once again, the same old horse-and-pony political show where all of &quot;them&quot; show up and listen earnestly to a roomful of &quot;us&quot; designed to reassure us that they&#039;re on top of it and are listening to our legitimate concerns.  And they&#039;re going to be listening forever.  As I heard on KPFK the other day: &quot;It&#039;s time to stop singing and start swinging&quot;--not condoning violence, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with ubrayj02.  The agenda seems a to have a familiar rehash about it and pretty unambitious in the large scheme of things.  And the expected results to come out of the meeting are . . . well, what the heck are they really??  I fear this will be, once again, the same old horse-and-pony political show where all of &#8220;them&#8221; show up and listen earnestly to a roomful of &#8220;us&#8221; designed to reassure us that they&#8217;re on top of it and are listening to our legitimate concerns.  And they&#8217;re going to be listening forever.  As I heard on KPFK the other day: &#8220;It&#8217;s time to stop singing and start swinging&#8221;&#8211;not condoning violence, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/04/next-weeks-big-bike-meeting-bike-harassment-the-lapd-bike-planning-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-59541</link>
		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will last four hours or more. Most of the time will be taken up waiting for a quorum. The rest will be consumed by &quot;public comment&quot; that will not affect the decisions reached by the elected officials - who, if they do decide&quot; on anything, will to request more reports from city staff who will ignore those request or come back and repeat the whole thing all over again.

We cannot rely on the politicians to do our lobbying for us. Coming on &quot;game day&quot; during public comment time is a joke, and I hope that the LACBC is educated enough by now to play a little &quot;telephone&quot; by walking around city hall during the off-days and building support for measures they&#039;d like to see passed.

This whole things is getting amateurishly boring. I&#039;m tired of public hearings! Give us something to rally around, or leave us alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will last four hours or more. Most of the time will be taken up waiting for a quorum. The rest will be consumed by &#8220;public comment&#8221; that will not affect the decisions reached by the elected officials &#8211; who, if they do decide&#8221; on anything, will to request more reports from city staff who will ignore those request or come back and repeat the whole thing all over again.</p>
<p>We cannot rely on the politicians to do our lobbying for us. Coming on &#8220;game day&#8221; during public comment time is a joke, and I hope that the LACBC is educated enough by now to play a little &#8220;telephone&#8221; by walking around city hall during the off-days and building support for measures they&#8217;d like to see passed.</p>
<p>This whole things is getting amateurishly boring. I&#8217;m tired of public hearings! Give us something to rally around, or leave us alone.</p>
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		<title>By: danceralamode</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/04/next-weeks-big-bike-meeting-bike-harassment-the-lapd-bike-planning-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-59241</link>
		<dc:creator>danceralamode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know how long the meeting is expected to last? I&#039;d really like to attend this one if I can swing it at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know how long the meeting is expected to last? I&#8217;d really like to attend this one if I can swing it at work.</p>
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		<title>By: Lasbi Anlov</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/12/04/next-weeks-big-bike-meeting-bike-harassment-the-lapd-bike-planning-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-59091</link>
		<dc:creator>Lasbi Anlov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update on the Sharrow Plan:

The City of Los Angeles&#039; Depertment of Alternative Transportation has recently completed it&#039;s fourth sharrow pilot project - the second in Council District 1.

For more details, please ride your bike!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update on the Sharrow Plan:</p>
<p>The City of Los Angeles&#8217; Depertment of Alternative Transportation has recently completed it&#8217;s fourth sharrow pilot project &#8211; the second in Council District 1.</p>
<p>For more details, please ride your bike!</p>
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