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	<title>Comments on: SCAG and City of Los Angeles Thinking About Solutions to the Last Mile Problem</title>
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		<title>By: calwatch</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/11/12/scag-and-city-of-los-angeles-thinking-about-solutions-to-the-last-mile-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-51681</link>
		<dc:creator>calwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will note one thing - the planners have finally killed SCAGLEV (hopefully for good), with the maglev task force dissolved:
http://www.scag.ca.gov/committees/pdf/tcc/2009/nov/tc110509min.pdf

I have to decide how badly I want to ream SCAG next Wednesday. Should I at least be conciliatory and recognize the efforts of their line staff to pay attention to these issues, or should I totally rip into them for their stupid ideas, that have never worked, and their poor public involvement process, which just hit a new low in the 2008 RTP cycle? (I have been involved in RTPs since 1997, that&#039;s how long I&#039;ve been in the business, and I&#039;ve never seen it that bad as the last cycle.) Jessica, and Ryan, are doing a good job with what they have. They are trying harder. Nor do I want ot discourage innovation. The question is whether SCAG&#039;s policy and programmatic failures are a problem of the past administration, or are systemic, and could mean that SCAG should be disbanded and MPO status devolved to the local county transportation commissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will note one thing &#8211; the planners have finally killed SCAGLEV (hopefully for good), with the maglev task force dissolved:<br />
<a href="http://www.scag.ca.gov/committees/pdf/tcc/2009/nov/tc110509min.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.scag.ca.gov/committees/pdf/tcc/2009/nov/tc110509min.pdf</a></p>
<p>I have to decide how badly I want to ream SCAG next Wednesday. Should I at least be conciliatory and recognize the efforts of their line staff to pay attention to these issues, or should I totally rip into them for their stupid ideas, that have never worked, and their poor public involvement process, which just hit a new low in the 2008 RTP cycle? (I have been involved in RTPs since 1997, that&#8217;s how long I&#8217;ve been in the business, and I&#8217;ve never seen it that bad as the last cycle.) Jessica, and Ryan, are doing a good job with what they have. They are trying harder. Nor do I want ot discourage innovation. The question is whether SCAG&#8217;s policy and programmatic failures are a problem of the past administration, or are systemic, and could mean that SCAG should be disbanded and MPO status devolved to the local county transportation commissions.</p>
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		<title>By: Interurbans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interurbans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people at SCAG haven’t a clue. They have been cloistered in their offices for many years coming up with ideas that have no connection to reality or the real world. They seam to think thank that anything that runs on two rails is from the last century and should be disregarded along with the stage coach and buggy. Instead they come up with people movers, monorails, car sharing and their most recent last mile ideas. The idea of the last mile is very important. Getting to and from the MetroLink, Subway or LRT is as important as the long distance trip. But as usual SCAG got it all wrong as one would expect from a group who has no experience of doing anything but driving. Japan, Hong Kong and China have a large network of mini and micro busses that have short fixed routes that go between rail terminals and smaller neighborhoods and industrial sights. They are also available in dense areas where they share stops with busy bus lines, trams and LRT lines and take you that last mile at each end of your Journey.   They really work well. The busses range in size from 12 to 25 passengers. Streetcar and bus circulators also do a very good job. I wonder why something like this is not in the minds or thoughts of our SCAG people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people at SCAG haven’t a clue. They have been cloistered in their offices for many years coming up with ideas that have no connection to reality or the real world. They seam to think thank that anything that runs on two rails is from the last century and should be disregarded along with the stage coach and buggy. Instead they come up with people movers, monorails, car sharing and their most recent last mile ideas. The idea of the last mile is very important. Getting to and from the MetroLink, Subway or LRT is as important as the long distance trip. But as usual SCAG got it all wrong as one would expect from a group who has no experience of doing anything but driving. Japan, Hong Kong and China have a large network of mini and micro busses that have short fixed routes that go between rail terminals and smaller neighborhoods and industrial sights. They are also available in dense areas where they share stops with busy bus lines, trams and LRT lines and take you that last mile at each end of your Journey.   They really work well. The busses range in size from 12 to 25 passengers. Streetcar and bus circulators also do a very good job. I wonder why something like this is not in the minds or thoughts of our SCAG people.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Newton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I wasn&#039;t here, and Arroyo Fest sounds awesome, I have to think that Ciclovia (or yes, a CicLAvia) is the way to go on this issue.  Once businesses see that there&#039;s a lot to be gained by having more cyclists and pedestrians on the street, the faster more people we&#039;ll have interested in &quot;Livable Streets.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I wasn&#8217;t here, and Arroyo Fest sounds awesome, I have to think that Ciclovia (or yes, a CicLAvia) is the way to go on this issue.  Once businesses see that there&#8217;s a lot to be gained by having more cyclists and pedestrians on the street, the faster more people we&#8217;ll have interested in &#8220;Livable Streets.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s some interest in reviving ArroyoFest... but it took a lot of work, hence won&#039;t be easy to re-do... we&#039;ll see.

Personally I like the idea of ciclovia events being in community retail areas - so folks connect with their communities. Freeways are set apart from the areas where we people actually walk and ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s some interest in reviving ArroyoFest&#8230; but it took a lot of work, hence won&#8217;t be easy to re-do&#8230; we&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>Personally I like the idea of ciclovia events being in community retail areas &#8211; so folks connect with their communities. Freeways are set apart from the areas where we people actually walk and ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam and Joe: Why not revive ArroyoFest?  It seemed to be loved by all and is still talked about however many years later.  Obviously it&#039;s a lot of work, but talk about reclaiming auto space.  I feel like the logistics are also easier than negotiating with the city about this or that many blocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam and Joe: Why not revive ArroyoFest?  It seemed to be loved by all and is still talked about however many years later.  Obviously it&#8217;s a lot of work, but talk about reclaiming auto space.  I feel like the logistics are also easier than negotiating with the city about this or that many blocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam - Thanks - we agree more than we differ... there&#039;s definitely a balancing act between few available resources and expansive visions... but I think that there&#039;s a sweet spot in there somewhere... and I think the sweet spot is significantly more than 3 blocks long! I worry that nobody (or perhaps nobody on a bicycle) would show up for a 3-block ciclovia... then maybe critics will say &quot;we tried it once and nobody came&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam &#8211; Thanks &#8211; we agree more than we differ&#8230; there&#8217;s definitely a balancing act between few available resources and expansive visions&#8230; but I think that there&#8217;s a sweet spot in there somewhere&#8230; and I think the sweet spot is significantly more than 3 blocks long! I worry that nobody (or perhaps nobody on a bicycle) would show up for a 3-block ciclovia&#8230; then maybe critics will say &#8220;we tried it once and nobody came&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joe

I totally agree a longer route would be better. 

Given the resource dillema, a shorter route may be more viable to get things started. Maybe have some sponsors / donors to cover the costs associated with traffic control?

Again, I&#039;d really like to see this happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joe</p>
<p>I totally agree a longer route would be better. </p>
<p>Given the resource dillema, a shorter route may be more viable to get things started. Maybe have some sponsors / donors to cover the costs associated with traffic control?</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;d really like to see this happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/11/12/scag-and-city-of-los-angeles-thinking-about-solutions-to-the-last-mile-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-49451</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam - When I see the words Ciclovia and &quot;3-4 blocks&quot; I wince. Bogota opens something like 80 miles to bikes and peds every sunday. 3-4 blocks can hardly compete with the 3rd street promenade and the beach bike path... and is unlikely to attract any bicyclists. I would think a small Ciclovia event would be 8-10 miles... that would attract peds, bikes, rollerbladers, etc. Yes - it&#039;s more expensive and has more challenges, and will take some notification and logistics... but it will feel like a substantial reclaiming of street space for people. I know the first ones will be smaller... but don&#039;t think toooo small!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam &#8211; When I see the words Ciclovia and &#8220;3-4 blocks&#8221; I wince. Bogota opens something like 80 miles to bikes and peds every sunday. 3-4 blocks can hardly compete with the 3rd street promenade and the beach bike path&#8230; and is unlikely to attract any bicyclists. I would think a small Ciclovia event would be 8-10 miles&#8230; that would attract peds, bikes, rollerbladers, etc. Yes &#8211; it&#8217;s more expensive and has more challenges, and will take some notification and logistics&#8230; but it will feel like a substantial reclaiming of street space for people. I know the first ones will be smaller&#8230; but don&#8217;t think toooo small!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jessica

I&#039;d love to make a ciclavia happen in Santa Monica. 

To safely close off a road for an adequate distance, maybe 3 or 4 blocks to start, we would need some traffic control devices. Also, if it were in a business area, where I think it could be most viable to start, we&#039;d need buy-in from all or most of the businesses.

Can this be done by an active group, given the limited resources of the City? To make this happen the City would have to rent additional traffic control devices, deploy and monitor the traffic control devices, staff traffic officers at key intersections (overtime pay), and notify all affected businesses.

Those are the challenges I see; I&#039;d very much like to see them overcome and welcome any ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jessica</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to make a ciclavia happen in Santa Monica. </p>
<p>To safely close off a road for an adequate distance, maybe 3 or 4 blocks to start, we would need some traffic control devices. Also, if it were in a business area, where I think it could be most viable to start, we&#8217;d need buy-in from all or most of the businesses.</p>
<p>Can this be done by an active group, given the limited resources of the City? To make this happen the City would have to rent additional traffic control devices, deploy and monitor the traffic control devices, staff traffic officers at key intersections (overtime pay), and notify all affected businesses.</p>
<p>Those are the challenges I see; I&#8217;d very much like to see them overcome and welcome any ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Wentzel</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/11/12/scag-and-city-of-los-angeles-thinking-about-solutions-to-the-last-mile-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-49261</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Wentzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All of this money and effort spent on endless studies and reports, and they all avoid the one thing that must be done to get people out of private automobiles: taking road space away from cars for other forms of transportation. All the rest is hot air.&quot;

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Great point.

And it&#039;s the one thing they politically won&#039;t consider.  Part of what makes a sprawling city like London so great for public transit isn&#039;t just its 12 tube lines and dozens of commuter rail lines but a comprehensive bus network with bus only lanes.

It takes a tremendous amount of political courage for any politician, especially a southern California one, to tell a motorist that their single-occupancy vehicle is not our highest transportation priority.

If Metro moved from transportation model of moving &quot;vehicles&quot;, where a bus and car are treated the same, to one of moving &quot;people&quot;, where the greater the number of people being moved, the higher the priority, it would revolutionize transportation planning in L.A.  Good luck on getting politicians here to go along with that.

The other suggestion is eliminating free parking, which is also politically problematic..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All of this money and effort spent on endless studies and reports, and they all avoid the one thing that must be done to get people out of private automobiles: taking road space away from cars for other forms of transportation. All the rest is hot air.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Great point.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s the one thing they politically won&#8217;t consider.  Part of what makes a sprawling city like London so great for public transit isn&#8217;t just its 12 tube lines and dozens of commuter rail lines but a comprehensive bus network with bus only lanes.</p>
<p>It takes a tremendous amount of political courage for any politician, especially a southern California one, to tell a motorist that their single-occupancy vehicle is not our highest transportation priority.</p>
<p>If Metro moved from transportation model of moving &#8220;vehicles&#8221;, where a bus and car are treated the same, to one of moving &#8220;people&#8221;, where the greater the number of people being moved, the higher the priority, it would revolutionize transportation planning in L.A.  Good luck on getting politicians here to go along with that.</p>
<p>The other suggestion is eliminating free parking, which is also politically problematic..</p>
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		<title>By: calwatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>calwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you think that SCAG isn&#039;t doing a good job (or even if you are), you can always tattle to the Feds... the once every-four-year opportunity is coming up on December 2.
http://www.scag.ca.gov/cgi/Calendar/eventInfo.cfm?ID=3362&amp;CurntDate=12/14/2009</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you think that SCAG isn&#8217;t doing a good job (or even if you are), you can always tattle to the Feds&#8230; the once every-four-year opportunity is coming up on December 2.<br />
<a href="http://www.scag.ca.gov/cgi/Calendar/eventInfo.cfm?ID=3362&#038;CurntDate=12/14/2009" rel="nofollow">http://www.scag.ca.gov/cgi/Calendar/eventInfo.cfm?ID=3362&#038;CurntDate=12/14/2009</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also - once the study is finished in December it will be posted online - I&#039;ll post the link on the bikepedSCAG twitter once it is</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also &#8211; once the study is finished in December it will be posted online &#8211; I&#8217;ll post the link on the bikepedSCAG twitter once it is</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DJB - thanks for coming too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJB &#8211; thanks for coming too!</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone raises some interesting and completely valid points.

I was the SCAG lead on this study that was done for $125K. I think it was a great step in talking about getting people out of their cars. Something our transportation decisionmakers definitely need more presentations and venues that this is the key topic for the meeting.

I was excited in the morning when the study - that&#039;s looking at first and last mile barriers to transit - was presented to the first joint meeting of the City of LA planning and transportation commissions.  It was incredibly valuable to have these two commission discussing ideas such as walking bicycling, parking and pricing and more.  

Josef - you&#039;re completely right on about the safety element - it&#039;s actually 30% of all traffic fatalities in the state of CA are bicyclists and pedestrians - unacceptable.

I&#039;d be happy to talk more about this or discuss ways it could be done better.  I am working on bicycle and pedestrian regional planning at SCAG and would welcome any and all advice/input/criticism. you can reach me at meaney(at)scag.ca.gov

I&#039;ve been living car free in LA since 1997 and am committed to pursuing ways to rethinking the overpowering role we give to the car in our neighborhoods/streets/communities in So Cal - there is much to discuss and critique. All the more reason to for increasing citizen involvement in public decisionmaking.  

btw - metro is doing a foldable bike study to see potential ways bike might be subized for those interested in purchasing.  Various vendors have lent Metro bikes to ride for a limited time to see how they work. NYC MTA sells a foldable bike for $299 right off their website.  At this point - so early in the study - who knows what policy reccomendations will happen but I think it&#039;s important to be looking at all the various ways and strategies to make provide ways for people to get out of their cars. It&#039;s def valuable to hear people ideas on it - let me know if you want to discuss with me more.

Perhaps we all need to rally around making a ciclavia happening? quit studying and get to walking and bicycling? I do think it is contagious - once you are able to see the alternatives to driving and how it impacts your community and life - it&#039;s pretty infectious (with the right land use and transportation elements to help support it).  No doubt something we need to be dicussing a lot more of - whenever we can. 

Glad to see all the comments and the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone raises some interesting and completely valid points.</p>
<p>I was the SCAG lead on this study that was done for $125K. I think it was a great step in talking about getting people out of their cars. Something our transportation decisionmakers definitely need more presentations and venues that this is the key topic for the meeting.</p>
<p>I was excited in the morning when the study &#8211; that&#8217;s looking at first and last mile barriers to transit &#8211; was presented to the first joint meeting of the City of LA planning and transportation commissions.  It was incredibly valuable to have these two commission discussing ideas such as walking bicycling, parking and pricing and more.  </p>
<p>Josef &#8211; you&#8217;re completely right on about the safety element &#8211; it&#8217;s actually 30% of all traffic fatalities in the state of CA are bicyclists and pedestrians &#8211; unacceptable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be happy to talk more about this or discuss ways it could be done better.  I am working on bicycle and pedestrian regional planning at SCAG and would welcome any and all advice/input/criticism. you can reach me at meaney(at)scag.ca.gov</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been living car free in LA since 1997 and am committed to pursuing ways to rethinking the overpowering role we give to the car in our neighborhoods/streets/communities in So Cal &#8211; there is much to discuss and critique. All the more reason to for increasing citizen involvement in public decisionmaking.  </p>
<p>btw &#8211; metro is doing a foldable bike study to see potential ways bike might be subized for those interested in purchasing.  Various vendors have lent Metro bikes to ride for a limited time to see how they work. NYC MTA sells a foldable bike for $299 right off their website.  At this point &#8211; so early in the study &#8211; who knows what policy reccomendations will happen but I think it&#8217;s important to be looking at all the various ways and strategies to make provide ways for people to get out of their cars. It&#8217;s def valuable to hear people ideas on it &#8211; let me know if you want to discuss with me more.</p>
<p>Perhaps we all need to rally around making a ciclavia happening? quit studying and get to walking and bicycling? I do think it is contagious &#8211; once you are able to see the alternatives to driving and how it impacts your community and life &#8211; it&#8217;s pretty infectious (with the right land use and transportation elements to help support it).  No doubt something we need to be dicussing a lot more of &#8211; whenever we can. </p>
<p>Glad to see all the comments and the post.</p>
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		<title>By: DJB</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/11/12/scag-and-city-of-los-angeles-thinking-about-solutions-to-the-last-mile-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-48961</link>
		<dc:creator>DJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@SoapBox

LOL. Yeah, well luckily it&#039;s not literally true that there are no good places to ride a bike in LA, just not nearly as many as there should be.

I just looked up Metro&#039;s bike map (http://www.metro.net/riding_metro/bikes/images/la_bike_map.pdf) and it looks like you&#039;re in luck if you live in Silver Lake, along the Orange Line or near Venice Blvd.

Good luck in most other parts of the city.</description>
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<p>LOL. Yeah, well luckily it&#8217;s not literally true that there are no good places to ride a bike in LA, just not nearly as many as there should be.</p>
<p>I just looked up Metro&#8217;s bike map (<a href="http://www.metro.net/riding_metro/bikes/images/la_bike_map.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.metro.net/riding_metro/bikes/images/la_bike_map.pdf</a>) and it looks like you&#8217;re in luck if you live in Silver Lake, along the Orange Line or near Venice Blvd.</p>
<p>Good luck in most other parts of the city.</p>
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		<title>By: SoapBoxLA</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/11/12/scag-and-city-of-los-angeles-thinking-about-solutions-to-the-last-mile-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-48621</link>
		<dc:creator>SoapBoxLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DJB, if foldies are an option for people who live in areas with bike lanes and calm streets, what would you suggest for the people who live in Los Angeles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DJB, if foldies are an option for people who live in areas with bike lanes and calm streets, what would you suggest for the people who live in Los Angeles?</p>
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		<title>By: DJB</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/11/12/scag-and-city-of-los-angeles-thinking-about-solutions-to-the-last-mile-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-48611</link>
		<dc:creator>DJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Angle

Hey, I see your point. Fear is one of the main things that keeps me off a bike. However, for people who live in areas with bike lanes and calm streets a folding bike subsidy could be just the thing to challenge their driving habit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Angle</p>
<p>Hey, I see your point. Fear is one of the main things that keeps me off a bike. However, for people who live in areas with bike lanes and calm streets a folding bike subsidy could be just the thing to challenge their driving habit.</p>
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		<title>By: angle</title>
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		<dc:creator>angle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ DJB

It doesn&#039;t matter if you give away folding bikes for free as long as most people are scared to use them on our city streets. Without the foundation of safer and more accommodating routes, most people will continue to drive as if their lives depend on it, and as for as they will be concerned, it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ DJB</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if you give away folding bikes for free as long as most people are scared to use them on our city streets. Without the foundation of safer and more accommodating routes, most people will continue to drive as if their lives depend on it, and as for as they will be concerned, it does.</p>
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		<title>By: SoapBoxLA</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/11/12/scag-and-city-of-los-angeles-thinking-about-solutions-to-the-last-mile-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-48581</link>
		<dc:creator>SoapBoxLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No word yet on the FIRST Team Westside&#039;s recommendations which never never mentioned foldies or loaners, just went straight for the BIKE CAR on the train. wOOt!  bit.ly/45Ixn7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No word yet on the FIRST Team Westside&#8217;s recommendations which never never mentioned foldies or loaners, just went straight for the BIKE CAR on the train. wOOt!  bit.ly/45Ixn7</p>
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		<title>By: DJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to another iteration of this presentation. The idea that caught my eye the most was subsidizing folding bikes. Apparently you can get one on loan from Metro if you agree to fill out a survey. In the discussion at this meeting there was a lot of talk about the need to expand bike parking, and to make sure that bike parking is covered and aesthetically pleasing. Also, apparently ever more bike valet parking is happening in Santa Monica :)

SCAG isn&#039;t the most powerful planning agency ever since most land use authority and money is at the county or local level, but it&#039;s useful to think about stuff besides the (difficult to implement) fundamentals of complete streets and density near transit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to another iteration of this presentation. The idea that caught my eye the most was subsidizing folding bikes. Apparently you can get one on loan from Metro if you agree to fill out a survey. In the discussion at this meeting there was a lot of talk about the need to expand bike parking, and to make sure that bike parking is covered and aesthetically pleasing. Also, apparently ever more bike valet parking is happening in Santa Monica :)</p>
<p>SCAG isn&#8217;t the most powerful planning agency ever since most land use authority and money is at the county or local level, but it&#8217;s useful to think about stuff besides the (difficult to implement) fundamentals of complete streets and density near transit.</p>
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