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	<title>Comments on: With AnsaldoBreda&#8217;s Exclusive Contract Expired, What Is Next?</title>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/11/03/with-ansaldobredas-exclusive-contract-expired-what-is-next/comment-page-1/#comment-46731</link>
		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well we do have the benefit of hindsight. Several of the transit systems that came along in the 90&#039;s did solve the lift problem mainly with concrete ramps for wheelchairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well we do have the benefit of hindsight. Several of the transit systems that came along in the 90&#8242;s did solve the lift problem mainly with concrete ramps for wheelchairs.</p>
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		<title>By: cph</title>
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		<dc:creator>cph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the time the Blue Line was being built (1985-1990), there wasn&#039;t a practical low floor light rail design. (San Diego is low platform, but they used mechanical lifts which LACTC wanted to avoid.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the time the Blue Line was being built (1985-1990), there wasn&#8217;t a practical low floor light rail design. (San Diego is low platform, but they used mechanical lifts which LACTC wanted to avoid.)</p>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/11/03/with-ansaldobredas-exclusive-contract-expired-what-is-next/comment-page-1/#comment-46711</link>
		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could rant on forever on the issues concerning this issue. 

First off, how often do you see politicians willing to sell their souls for the prospect of a few jobs, a new source of sales tax revenue (Wal-Mart, Ikea, Cabela&#039;s, etc), or any other form of &quot;economic development? 

Then there is the relationship issues that METRO seems to have with manufacturers in general. How many bridges have been burned between METRO and bus manufacturers? Not saying whose fault it is but there is only so many companies out there to do business with. Then again maybe METRO and Breda where a match made in...

Finally the reason why standardization is important when building rail systems. If LACTC/RTD would have gone with low floor platforms instead of high floor platforms like most of the new light rail systems across the country, they could be adding on to the Utah Transit Authority&#039;s massive order for S70 cars which would have lowered the price per vehicle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could rant on forever on the issues concerning this issue. </p>
<p>First off, how often do you see politicians willing to sell their souls for the prospect of a few jobs, a new source of sales tax revenue (Wal-Mart, Ikea, Cabela&#8217;s, etc), or any other form of &#8220;economic development? </p>
<p>Then there is the relationship issues that METRO seems to have with manufacturers in general. How many bridges have been burned between METRO and bus manufacturers? Not saying whose fault it is but there is only so many companies out there to do business with. Then again maybe METRO and Breda where a match made in&#8230;</p>
<p>Finally the reason why standardization is important when building rail systems. If LACTC/RTD would have gone with low floor platforms instead of high floor platforms like most of the new light rail systems across the country, they could be adding on to the Utah Transit Authority&#8217;s massive order for S70 cars which would have lowered the price per vehicle.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

I&#039;m sorry, but I wouldn&#039;t cut the MTA a break, here&#039;s why: the lies were plainly in front of them and the made a concious choice to ignore them (all but Mr. Antonovich). If they had taken the time to investigate AnsaldoBreda&#039;s claims deeper (or had a consultant do it for them), they would have found there wasn&#039;t a prayer in the world that they could achieve the employment levels they claimed. If they had, this issue would have been put to bed at least 6 months ago instead of dragging it out needlessly. They turned a blind eye to the obvious because they wanted their legacy to be that they brought employment to LA. In fact, they also ignored the recommendations of not one, but TWO LA Metro CEO&#039;s that said go out for bid. So what are they doing a year later? Why have the CEO if you&#039;re not going to follow his advice?

I&#039;m the first person to cut people slack and give the benefit of the doubt whenever possible, but I&#039;m sorry not in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I wouldn&#8217;t cut the MTA a break, here&#8217;s why: the lies were plainly in front of them and the made a concious choice to ignore them (all but Mr. Antonovich). If they had taken the time to investigate AnsaldoBreda&#8217;s claims deeper (or had a consultant do it for them), they would have found there wasn&#8217;t a prayer in the world that they could achieve the employment levels they claimed. If they had, this issue would have been put to bed at least 6 months ago instead of dragging it out needlessly. They turned a blind eye to the obvious because they wanted their legacy to be that they brought employment to LA. In fact, they also ignored the recommendations of not one, but TWO LA Metro CEO&#8217;s that said go out for bid. So what are they doing a year later? Why have the CEO if you&#8217;re not going to follow his advice?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m the first person to cut people slack and give the benefit of the doubt whenever possible, but I&#8217;m sorry not in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad MTA is finally cutting Breda loose.  I DO think we ought to cut MTA a break.  They are human after all, and we do make mistakes.  I would just ask MTA not to commit the same mistake again!  Keep building the rails!  We need them badly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad MTA is finally cutting Breda loose.  I DO think we ought to cut MTA a break.  They are human after all, and we do make mistakes.  I would just ask MTA not to commit the same mistake again!  Keep building the rails!  We need them badly!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth Mr. Newton is that the &quot;carrot&quot; of the created jobs was an imaginary incentive. It didn&#039;t exist. AnsaldoBreda was never going to create 600+ jobs with one relatively small contract, as pointed out by Mr. Antonovich during the last board meeting by stating that if Siemens, which has several US contracts, does not employ over 600 people, how was AndsaldoBreda going to do it with just one? So the taxpayers did not really lose anything there.

Another truth is that AnsaldoBreda played the political card rather than the tried and true practice that a good product will sell itself. Fix the problems in good faith and the work will come on it&#039;s own.  Shame on AnsaldoBreda&#039;s management for trying to sell such a pack of lies rather than building a working and successful relationship based on trust and shame of the MTA for buying it all. THAT&#039;S where the taxpayers lost!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth Mr. Newton is that the &#8220;carrot&#8221; of the created jobs was an imaginary incentive. It didn&#8217;t exist. AnsaldoBreda was never going to create 600+ jobs with one relatively small contract, as pointed out by Mr. Antonovich during the last board meeting by stating that if Siemens, which has several US contracts, does not employ over 600 people, how was AndsaldoBreda going to do it with just one? So the taxpayers did not really lose anything there.</p>
<p>Another truth is that AnsaldoBreda played the political card rather than the tried and true practice that a good product will sell itself. Fix the problems in good faith and the work will come on it&#8217;s own.  Shame on AnsaldoBreda&#8217;s management for trying to sell such a pack of lies rather than building a working and successful relationship based on trust and shame of the MTA for buying it all. THAT&#8217;S where the taxpayers lost!</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Gbbard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Gbbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to reiterate what I said in the last thread on Breda.

Despite now facing daunting time pressures etc. Metro must somehow find time 
amidst the whirl of activity surrounding the new rail car procurement to figure out what has gone wrong with the last two rail car procurements and applying those lessons as we go forward with this new procurement. We can&#039;t keep repeating mistakes plaguing these multi-million dollar expenditures whose results will operate on our rail lines for 30+ years

Leadership by at the Metro Board is desperately needed on this issue.

If this entails paying big bucks for a consultant with expertise, it would be money well spent if we can avoid a repeat of the P-2000 and P-2550 debacles.

http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/10/31/breaking-news-contract-talks-between-metro-ansaldobreda-breakdown-rail-car-contract-goes-to-bid/#comment-46031</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to reiterate what I said in the last thread on Breda.</p>
<p>Despite now facing daunting time pressures etc. Metro must somehow find time<br />
amidst the whirl of activity surrounding the new rail car procurement to figure out what has gone wrong with the last two rail car procurements and applying those lessons as we go forward with this new procurement. We can&#8217;t keep repeating mistakes plaguing these multi-million dollar expenditures whose results will operate on our rail lines for 30+ years</p>
<p>Leadership by at the Metro Board is desperately needed on this issue.</p>
<p>If this entails paying big bucks for a consultant with expertise, it would be money well spent if we can avoid a repeat of the P-2000 and P-2550 debacles.</p>
<p><a href="http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/10/31/breaking-news-contract-talks-between-metro-ansaldobreda-breakdown-rail-car-contract-goes-to-bid/#comment-46031" rel="nofollow">http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/10/31/breaking-news-contract-talks-between-metro-ansaldobreda-breakdown-rail-car-contract-goes-to-bid/#comment-46031</a></p>
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