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	<title>Comments on: Officials Celebrate Highway Widening.  Tough Questions Remain Unasked.</title>
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		<title>By: Dan Smith</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/11/03/officials-celebrate-highway-widening-tough-questions-remain-unasked/comment-page-1/#comment-137071</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been trying to ask a question but get no responce from Caltrans.Does anyone know if Lapalma is going to go through to greenriver exit ? I guess their not answering questions.If someone knows please respond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been trying to ask a question but get no responce from Caltrans.Does anyone know if Lapalma is going to go through to greenriver exit ? I guess their not answering questions.If someone knows please respond.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Gbbard</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/11/03/officials-celebrate-highway-widening-tough-questions-remain-unasked/comment-page-1/#comment-46681</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Gbbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it is Metro route 460 that serves northern Orange County (Buena Park, Anaheim).

OCTA express 721 is bi-directional (albeit operates only during weekday rush hour) between downtown L.A. and Fullerton Transit Center

http://www.octa.net/pdf/pdf/sep2009/route721.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it is Metro route 460 that serves northern Orange County (Buena Park, Anaheim).</p>
<p>OCTA express 721 is bi-directional (albeit operates only during weekday rush hour) between downtown L.A. and Fullerton Transit Center</p>
<p><a href="http://www.octa.net/pdf/pdf/sep2009/route721.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.octa.net/pdf/pdf/sep2009/route721.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DJB - great comment.  

I too struggle to see how freeway capacity expansion can be argued to reduce VMT and ghg emissions - it is a argument that I have begun to see lately - definitely troubling and perhaps lacking in logic as I understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJB &#8211; great comment.  </p>
<p>I too struggle to see how freeway capacity expansion can be argued to reduce VMT and ghg emissions &#8211; it is a argument that I have begun to see lately &#8211; definitely troubling and perhaps lacking in logic as I understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metro route 430 goes to Orange County.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metro route 430 goes to Orange County.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik G.</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/11/03/officials-celebrate-highway-widening-tough-questions-remain-unasked/comment-page-1/#comment-46531</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spokker, in order to get to the OC to see what you suggest, (and make it back the same day) they&#039;d have to take the racist and evil Metrolink with its completely lily-white patronage!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spokker, in order to get to the OC to see what you suggest, (and make it back the same day) they&#8217;d have to take the racist and evil Metrolink with its completely lily-white patronage!</p>
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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The worst thing about this and the 405/605/22 widening is that freeways continue to be improved and widened while the bus network is slated to be cut to pieces. 

People always talk about inequality on these sites, but let me tell you, freeway expansion plus bus service cuts is *really* unequal. I wish the BRU would come down to Orange County and ride the bus sometime. They don&#039;t know how good they have it. LA has rapid buses, bus transitways, subways and light rail. OC bus service is going back to 1975 levels. We are two years late on implementing rapid bus routes. It&#039;s despicable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst thing about this and the 405/605/22 widening is that freeways continue to be improved and widened while the bus network is slated to be cut to pieces. </p>
<p>People always talk about inequality on these sites, but let me tell you, freeway expansion plus bus service cuts is *really* unequal. I wish the BRU would come down to Orange County and ride the bus sometime. They don&#8217;t know how good they have it. LA has rapid buses, bus transitways, subways and light rail. OC bus service is going back to 1975 levels. We are two years late on implementing rapid bus routes. It&#8217;s despicable.</p>
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		<title>By: DJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The really audacious thing is that some OCTA planners argue that the widening will actually reduce pollution. This is only true if you consider the extreme short run, as cars drive faster (closer to their most efficient speed) and ignore the long-run implications: more automobile-dependent development, and a return to slow traffic with more lanes. This profligate land consumption (for new suburbs, and their roads and parking) also results in a loss of biodiversity.

The other big point is that over 80% of this widening is being funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. This is strong evidence that we still see the environment as separate from and subordinate to the economy. I sincerely HOPE we can CHANGE that outlook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really audacious thing is that some OCTA planners argue that the widening will actually reduce pollution. This is only true if you consider the extreme short run, as cars drive faster (closer to their most efficient speed) and ignore the long-run implications: more automobile-dependent development, and a return to slow traffic with more lanes. This profligate land consumption (for new suburbs, and their roads and parking) also results in a loss of biodiversity.</p>
<p>The other big point is that over 80% of this widening is being funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. This is strong evidence that we still see the environment as separate from and subordinate to the economy. I sincerely HOPE we can CHANGE that outlook.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Newton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing so sinister Numan, just an east coast transplant used to everything being an interstate because the state&#039;s are so much smaller.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing so sinister Numan, just an east coast transplant used to everything being an interstate because the state&#8217;s are so much smaller.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Numan Parada</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/11/03/officials-celebrate-highway-widening-tough-questions-remain-unasked/comment-page-1/#comment-46381</link>
		<dc:creator>Numan Parada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I&#039;ve driven on I-71 in its entirety... in Ohio and Kentucky. Driving the I-91 through Vermont is in my list of things-to-do. I have never heard of I-241, and it doesn&#039;t help that its parent interstate in Wisconsin technically doesn&#039;t exist yet.

Lesson of today: In California, Interstates, U.S. routes and plain state highways are all &quot;state highways&quot; per state law and are afforded the title of &quot;Route&quot;. Federal agencies (particularly AASHTO) give them the additional title of &quot;I-&quot; or &quot;U.S.&quot; The 91, 71 and 241 Freeways are not Interstates at all and should not be labeled as &quot;I-&quot;91, etc., since it would construe as misrepresentation of an existing highway. Their correct title is &quot;Route&quot; (e.g. &quot;Route 91&quot;). If this was an attempt to instill hyperbole in your piece by characterizing them as would-be Interstates, then you have been taken to task. (Route 71 isn&#039;t even a freeway when it meets the 91 freeway.)

Having said that, the widening effectively deflates the point of having HOT lanes right in the middle of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I&#8217;ve driven on I-71 in its entirety&#8230; in Ohio and Kentucky. Driving the I-91 through Vermont is in my list of things-to-do. I have never heard of I-241, and it doesn&#8217;t help that its parent interstate in Wisconsin technically doesn&#8217;t exist yet.</p>
<p>Lesson of today: In California, Interstates, U.S. routes and plain state highways are all &#8220;state highways&#8221; per state law and are afforded the title of &#8220;Route&#8221;. Federal agencies (particularly AASHTO) give them the additional title of &#8220;I-&#8221; or &#8220;U.S.&#8221; The 91, 71 and 241 Freeways are not Interstates at all and should not be labeled as &#8220;I-&#8221;91, etc., since it would construe as misrepresentation of an existing highway. Their correct title is &#8220;Route&#8221; (e.g. &#8220;Route 91&#8243;). If this was an attempt to instill hyperbole in your piece by characterizing them as would-be Interstates, then you have been taken to task. (Route 71 isn&#8217;t even a freeway when it meets the 91 freeway.)</p>
<p>Having said that, the widening effectively deflates the point of having HOT lanes right in the middle of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn right, Damien.  thanks as always for piping in the missing voices of research-based reason in our region&#039;s sprawlingly insane mobility conceptions and planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn right, Damien.  thanks as always for piping in the missing voices of research-based reason in our region&#8217;s sprawlingly insane mobility conceptions and planning.</p>
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