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	<title>Comments on: Just Give Us a Place to Park Our Bikes</title>
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		<title>By: patnet</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/10/09/just-give-us-a-place-to-park-our-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-38291</link>
		<dc:creator>patnet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were two racks there until very recently. Where did they go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were two racks there until very recently. Where did they go?</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The procedure is this: you get harassed by a security dude, then you remember the guy&#039;s name and actually call up his supervisor/building manager the next day, write a blog post about it, and annoy the hell out of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The procedure is this: you get harassed by a security dude, then you remember the guy&#8217;s name and actually call up his supervisor/building manager the next day, write a blog post about it, and annoy the hell out of them.</p>
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		<title>By: DJwheels</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/10/09/just-give-us-a-place-to-park-our-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-38231</link>
		<dc:creator>DJwheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Box, 

Who do we have to yell at to make sure that private property owners are complying with LAMC and providing these accommodations?

Is there a procedure for reporting violators?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Box, </p>
<p>Who do we have to yell at to make sure that private property owners are complying with LAMC and providing these accommodations?</p>
<p>Is there a procedure for reporting violators?</p>
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		<title>By: SoapBoxLA</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/10/09/just-give-us-a-place-to-park-our-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-38191</link>
		<dc:creator>SoapBoxLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matta,

I&#039;d love to see this list of &quot;No Bike Parking&quot; signs but it&#039;s kinda off-topic.

In all three incidents, I&#039;m referring to bike parking on private property, at businesses with Certificates of Occupancy that require them to adhere to LA Muni standards including providing basic minimum bike parking.

City National Plaza, the Academy and Palms all accommodate motor vehicles according to code, why do they ignore bikes? Because we allow them to get away with it.

Stay on topic and address the failure to adhere to LAMC.

I&#039;m not asking for the right to leave my bike lying on its side on a sidewalk nor am I addressing the restrictions of 21210.

But I am asking for adequate accommodation. That is not precluded by or addressed in 21210.

Bike racks, bike parking, according to the standard of Routine Accommodations, according to the LAMC, according to the City of LA&#039;s Bike Plan.

None of this contradicts 21210.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matta,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see this list of &#8220;No Bike Parking&#8221; signs but it&#8217;s kinda off-topic.</p>
<p>In all three incidents, I&#8217;m referring to bike parking on private property, at businesses with Certificates of Occupancy that require them to adhere to LA Muni standards including providing basic minimum bike parking.</p>
<p>City National Plaza, the Academy and Palms all accommodate motor vehicles according to code, why do they ignore bikes? Because we allow them to get away with it.</p>
<p>Stay on topic and address the failure to adhere to LAMC.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not asking for the right to leave my bike lying on its side on a sidewalk nor am I addressing the restrictions of 21210.</p>
<p>But I am asking for adequate accommodation. That is not precluded by or addressed in 21210.</p>
<p>Bike racks, bike parking, according to the standard of Routine Accommodations, according to the LAMC, according to the City of LA&#8217;s Bike Plan.</p>
<p>None of this contradicts 21210.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattapoisett In LA</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/10/09/just-give-us-a-place-to-park-our-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-38051</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattapoisett In LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then I will have to note all the times in LA which I see No Bike Parking signs which site 21210.  I&#039;ve seen quite a few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then I will have to note all the times in LA which I see No Bike Parking signs which site 21210.  I&#8217;ve seen quite a few.</p>
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		<title>By: SoapBoxLA</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/10/09/just-give-us-a-place-to-park-our-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-37981</link>
		<dc:creator>SoapBoxLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well we have LA Muni Code on our side and City National Plaza and the Academy are already scurrying to mend their wicked ways. Bike parking isn&#039;t an option, it&#039;s a right supported by muni code. Speak up and help our partners welcome cyclists as Transportation Solutions!


From the Los Angeles Municipal Code: (LAMC 12.21-A. 16)

16. Bicycle Parking and Shower Facilities. (Added by Ord. No. 167,409, Eff. 12/19/91.) Off-street parking spaces for bicycles and facilities for employee showers and lockers shall be provided as follows:

(a) In the C and M zones, for any building, portion thereof or addition thereto used for non-residential purposes which contains a floor area in excess of 10,000 square feet, bicycle parking spaces shall be provided at the rate of two percent of the number of automobile parking spaces required by this section for such non-residential uses;

http://soapboxla.blogspot.com/2009/02/good-for-bikes-good-for-business-bike.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well we have LA Muni Code on our side and City National Plaza and the Academy are already scurrying to mend their wicked ways. Bike parking isn&#8217;t an option, it&#8217;s a right supported by muni code. Speak up and help our partners welcome cyclists as Transportation Solutions!</p>
<p>From the Los Angeles Municipal Code: (LAMC 12.21-A. 16)</p>
<p>16. Bicycle Parking and Shower Facilities. (Added by Ord. No. 167,409, Eff. 12/19/91.) Off-street parking spaces for bicycles and facilities for employee showers and lockers shall be provided as follows:</p>
<p>(a) In the C and M zones, for any building, portion thereof or addition thereto used for non-residential purposes which contains a floor area in excess of 10,000 square feet, bicycle parking spaces shall be provided at the rate of two percent of the number of automobile parking spaces required by this section for such non-residential uses;</p>
<p><a href="http://soapboxla.blogspot.com/2009/02/good-for-bikes-good-for-business-bike.html" rel="nofollow">http://soapboxla.blogspot.com/2009/02/good-for-bikes-good-for-business-bike.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: DJwheels</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJwheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think 21210 applies at all.  I believe that courtyard he&#039;s talking about is away from the sidewalk and is actually private property.  In which case, the authority to remove the bikes isn&#039;t the CVC, but rather trespassing on private property.  

However, this does not mean they can just keep your bike after the removal.  The remedy for trespass usually is only the actual damages to the property, which could include the expense incurred in removing them and any damage to the gate in the process of removing them. 

I dunno who this &quot;Gilbert&quot; guy was, but hopefully a simple agreement to return and remove the bikes promptly solved the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think 21210 applies at all.  I believe that courtyard he&#8217;s talking about is away from the sidewalk and is actually private property.  In which case, the authority to remove the bikes isn&#8217;t the CVC, but rather trespassing on private property.  </p>
<p>However, this does not mean they can just keep your bike after the removal.  The remedy for trespass usually is only the actual damages to the property, which could include the expense incurred in removing them and any damage to the gate in the process of removing them. </p>
<p>I dunno who this &#8220;Gilbert&#8221; guy was, but hopefully a simple agreement to return and remove the bikes promptly solved the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattapoisett In LA</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/10/09/just-give-us-a-place-to-park-our-bikes/comment-page-1/#comment-37931</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattapoisett In LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well they have California Law on their side, albeit a loose interpretation

Bicycle Parking

21210.  No person shall leave a bicycle lying on its side on any sidewalk, or shall park a bicycle on a sidewalk in any other position, so that there is not an adequate path for pedestrian traffic. Local authorities may, by ordinance or resolution, prohibit bicycle parking in designated areas of the public highway, provided that appropriate signs are erected.
Added Ch. 751, Stats. 1976. Effective January 1, 1977.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well they have California Law on their side, albeit a loose interpretation</p>
<p>Bicycle Parking</p>
<p>21210.  No person shall leave a bicycle lying on its side on any sidewalk, or shall park a bicycle on a sidewalk in any other position, so that there is not an adequate path for pedestrian traffic. Local authorities may, by ordinance or resolution, prohibit bicycle parking in designated areas of the public highway, provided that appropriate signs are erected.<br />
Added Ch. 751, Stats. 1976. Effective January 1, 1977.</p>
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