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	<title>Comments on: A Woman&#8217;s Comfort on Our Streets</title>
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		<title>By: HotDogLa</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/10/06/a-womans-comfort-on-our-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-556432</link>
		<dc:creator>HotDogLa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re lying.</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/10/06/a-womans-comfort-on-our-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-111581</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post by Portland&#039;s Elly Blue about cycling, sexism, leadership and more:
http://bikeportland.org/2010/01/12/editorial-my-year-as-a-woman-in-a-city-of-bikes/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post by Portland&#8217;s Elly Blue about cycling, sexism, leadership and more:<br />
<a href="http://bikeportland.org/2010/01/12/editorial-my-year-as-a-woman-in-a-city-of-bikes/" rel="nofollow">http://bikeportland.org/2010/01/12/editorial-my-year-as-a-woman-in-a-city-of-bikes/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/10/06/a-womans-comfort-on-our-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-38531</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yah - more women commentors!!! We need more posts that bring out new commentors from mom&#039;s and other new voices!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yah &#8211; more women commentors!!! We need more posts that bring out new commentors from mom&#8217;s and other new voices!</p>
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		<title>By: cph</title>
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		<dc:creator>cph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Metro should discourage men from talking to, sitting next to or making eye contact with women on the subway.&quot;


They could always go the Mexico City/Cairo/Dubai/Tokyo route....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Metro should discourage men from talking to, sitting next to or making eye contact with women on the subway.&#8221;</p>
<p>They could always go the Mexico City/Cairo/Dubai/Tokyo route&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: alek</title>
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		<dc:creator>alek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, Enci. Thanks for highlighting the different decisions women have to make for safety and comfort, that might not be obvious to the men who frequent this blog.

Also, yikes on the sheriffs at the station. It&#039;s awful that men in positions of authority so often don&#039;t know how to handle it. I&#039;ll definitely pay more attention on the train for that kinds of stuff. The more eyes and ears on the lookout, the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Enci. Thanks for highlighting the different decisions women have to make for safety and comfort, that might not be obvious to the men who frequent this blog.</p>
<p>Also, yikes on the sheriffs at the station. It&#8217;s awful that men in positions of authority so often don&#8217;t know how to handle it. I&#8217;ll definitely pay more attention on the train for that kinds of stuff. The more eyes and ears on the lookout, the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metro should discourage men from talking to, sitting next to or making eye contact with women on the subway.</description>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Enci...that&#039;s what I assumed, but wanted to be sure that&#039;s what you were implying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Enci&#8230;that&#8217;s what I assumed, but wanted to be sure that&#8217;s what you were implying.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insightful and informative post.  Like you, I&#039;m somewhat car-free by choice; I say &quot;somewhat&quot; because we&#039;re a one-car family, but in Los Angeles, one car for a couple with two kids is pretty unusual.  I sold my car in 2003, because I was almost never using it.

Interestingly enough, I actually went to grad school because I didn&#039;t want to drive.  I was working less than a mile from where I lived, and was walking to work most days.  I drove when I had a weekly appointment after work.  

Then they started doing something awkward to the street I worked on, changing the traffic patterns and making the driving journey about 50% longer than the walking journey, and I decided to try taking the bus to my appointment.  It worked, after a fashion, but it was harder than it should be.  I had lived in England for six months, and had the experience of waking up in Paris and going to sleep in my own bed in Birmingham, UK 13 hours later without ever using a private conveyance, so I KNEW it could be better.

So when I found out I was getting laid off, I decided &quot;What I really want to do is direct... traffic.&quot;  I got a Master&#039;s Degree in Transportation Planning.

I&#039;m not using it, unfortunately; all the public entities have hiring freezes, and the private firms are looking more for engineers (the program I went through at UCLA is from a social science perspective).  But one of the things that we did touch on in one of my classes is the absolute NEED to get women involved in transportation and land use planning.  The example given in lecture was in parking lot design; men want to make the structures less visible from the street, screening them with bushes and decorative panels... while women focus on clear sight lines and lighting.

Keep up the writing, and bike safe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insightful and informative post.  Like you, I&#8217;m somewhat car-free by choice; I say &#8220;somewhat&#8221; because we&#8217;re a one-car family, but in Los Angeles, one car for a couple with two kids is pretty unusual.  I sold my car in 2003, because I was almost never using it.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, I actually went to grad school because I didn&#8217;t want to drive.  I was working less than a mile from where I lived, and was walking to work most days.  I drove when I had a weekly appointment after work.  </p>
<p>Then they started doing something awkward to the street I worked on, changing the traffic patterns and making the driving journey about 50% longer than the walking journey, and I decided to try taking the bus to my appointment.  It worked, after a fashion, but it was harder than it should be.  I had lived in England for six months, and had the experience of waking up in Paris and going to sleep in my own bed in Birmingham, UK 13 hours later without ever using a private conveyance, so I KNEW it could be better.</p>
<p>So when I found out I was getting laid off, I decided &#8220;What I really want to do is direct&#8230; traffic.&#8221;  I got a Master&#8217;s Degree in Transportation Planning.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not using it, unfortunately; all the public entities have hiring freezes, and the private firms are looking more for engineers (the program I went through at UCLA is from a social science perspective).  But one of the things that we did touch on in one of my classes is the absolute NEED to get women involved in transportation and land use planning.  The example given in lecture was in parking lot design; men want to make the structures less visible from the street, screening them with bushes and decorative panels&#8230; while women focus on clear sight lines and lighting.</p>
<p>Keep up the writing, and bike safe!</p>
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		<title>By: bikinginla</title>
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		<dc:creator>bikinginla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for opening my eyes, Enci. I&#039;m one of those guys who would direct a woman cyclist to those quiet side streets, without a single thought that it might not be safe for her after dark — and those are the same sort of streets that are designated &quot;bike friendly&quot; in the new bike plan. 

As always, it helps to see things from someone else&#039;s perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for opening my eyes, Enci. I&#8217;m one of those guys who would direct a woman cyclist to those quiet side streets, without a single thought that it might not be safe for her after dark — and those are the same sort of streets that are designated &#8220;bike friendly&#8221; in the new bike plan. </p>
<p>As always, it helps to see things from someone else&#8217;s perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;ve been lucky when traveling to the NoHo Red line station - I&#039;ve never had issues with the sheriffs, and I&#039;m a single woman as well. For about six months, I traveled that way at least twice a week, often at night. I&#039;ll keep my eye out for that, although now most of my red line travel ends at Hollywood &amp; Highland. 

Good post, with valid points about personal safety... or at least &quot;feeling&quot; safe. I live in downtown Los Angeles, and my perception of a safe environment is somewhat different from many of my Westside dwelling friends. I do many of the same things when walking - sticking to well-lit and busy routes, avoiding side streets, avoiding pedestrian-only walkways, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;ve been lucky when traveling to the NoHo Red line station &#8211; I&#8217;ve never had issues with the sheriffs, and I&#8217;m a single woman as well. For about six months, I traveled that way at least twice a week, often at night. I&#8217;ll keep my eye out for that, although now most of my red line travel ends at Hollywood &amp; Highland. </p>
<p>Good post, with valid points about personal safety&#8230; or at least &#8220;feeling&#8221; safe. I live in downtown Los Angeles, and my perception of a safe environment is somewhat different from many of my Westside dwelling friends. I do many of the same things when walking &#8211; sticking to well-lit and busy routes, avoiding side streets, avoiding pedestrian-only walkways, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;men and women, and others are also uncomfortable with it but people stand by and watch what&#039;s happening but nobody dares speak up because they look like guys from the Terminator.&quot;

I&#039;m not sure why anyone would speak up about it. I don&#039;t look at a person initiating conversation with another person and immediately feel the urge to put a stop to it. 

I&#039;m not aware of Sheriffs hitting on chicks in the subway, but I would guess they aren&#039;t any different than other men who do that. Personally, people try to initiate conversation with me sometimes, but unfortunately they are often intelligible. 

I keep my headphones firmly in my ears to discourage it, even if I&#039;m not listening to anything. Have you tried it? It might work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;men and women, and others are also uncomfortable with it but people stand by and watch what&#8217;s happening but nobody dares speak up because they look like guys from the Terminator.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why anyone would speak up about it. I don&#8217;t look at a person initiating conversation with another person and immediately feel the urge to put a stop to it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not aware of Sheriffs hitting on chicks in the subway, but I would guess they aren&#8217;t any different than other men who do that. Personally, people try to initiate conversation with me sometimes, but unfortunately they are often intelligible. </p>
<p>I keep my headphones firmly in my ears to discourage it, even if I&#8217;m not listening to anything. Have you tried it? It might work.</p>
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		<title>By: Enci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ride on, Cindy! Glad you are car free! Woohoo!

Starla, thanks for that excellent link. I love it! Great find!

Evan, the Sheriffs ask women questions like &quot;where are you going,&quot; &quot;where are you from,&quot; &quot;what are you listening to,&quot; etc. Seems like harmless questions until you notice that they are paying more attention to the young ladies and are establishing themselves in a power position. They don&#039;t seem to chat with guys or with the mother and her two kids. They ask the young girls and they stick to them. They sometimes follow the girls into the train. Sometimes two of them corner the girls and flirt with them. I talk with people about it, men and women, and others are also uncomfortable with it but people stand by and watch what&#039;s happening but nobody dares speak up because they look like guys from the Terminator. In Europe the ticket checkers are non-threatening. The Sheriffs here are buffed up and carry weapons.

Joe and Johnny, thank you! I hope to write some more in the future. ;-)

Norman, women have a unique sensitivity to security than men and often this perspective is neglected. Men offer lots of advice on route selection and tell me to ride quiet side streets which are the last place I want to find myself after dark. We&#039;re all vulnerable but I&#039;m sensitive to eyes on the street, hiding places such as bushes and solid bus shelters, bathrooms, etc. 

The link that Starla attached is a great post that you might want to read. It&#039;s quite enlightening. It says &quot;Women are considered an “indicator species” for bike-friendly cities.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ride on, Cindy! Glad you are car free! Woohoo!</p>
<p>Starla, thanks for that excellent link. I love it! Great find!</p>
<p>Evan, the Sheriffs ask women questions like &#8220;where are you going,&#8221; &#8220;where are you from,&#8221; &#8220;what are you listening to,&#8221; etc. Seems like harmless questions until you notice that they are paying more attention to the young ladies and are establishing themselves in a power position. They don&#8217;t seem to chat with guys or with the mother and her two kids. They ask the young girls and they stick to them. They sometimes follow the girls into the train. Sometimes two of them corner the girls and flirt with them. I talk with people about it, men and women, and others are also uncomfortable with it but people stand by and watch what&#8217;s happening but nobody dares speak up because they look like guys from the Terminator. In Europe the ticket checkers are non-threatening. The Sheriffs here are buffed up and carry weapons.</p>
<p>Joe and Johnny, thank you! I hope to write some more in the future. ;-)</p>
<p>Norman, women have a unique sensitivity to security than men and often this perspective is neglected. Men offer lots of advice on route selection and tell me to ride quiet side streets which are the last place I want to find myself after dark. We&#8217;re all vulnerable but I&#8217;m sensitive to eyes on the street, hiding places such as bushes and solid bus shelters, bathrooms, etc. </p>
<p>The link that Starla attached is a great post that you might want to read. It&#8217;s quite enlightening. It says &#8220;Women are considered an “indicator species” for bike-friendly cities.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maricopa County has been a cyclists dream. If you don&#039;t mind cycling everywhere and everyday at the very least to a bus. You will enjoy the majority of warm sunny days, few pedestrians, few bicycle thieves, fewer cyclists, expansive infrastructure, pancake flat, no door zones on major roads, and the public officials have some respect for ya. Then you only need to survive the 20 percent of traffic which is highly questionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maricopa County has been a cyclists dream. If you don&#8217;t mind cycling everywhere and everyday at the very least to a bus. You will enjoy the majority of warm sunny days, few pedestrians, few bicycle thieves, fewer cyclists, expansive infrastructure, pancake flat, no door zones on major roads, and the public officials have some respect for ya. Then you only need to survive the 20 percent of traffic which is highly questionable.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed that there should be more investment in developing a city environment thats suitable for bikers as well as public transportation users. However, I dont understand why these recommendations are said to be inspired particularly by women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed that there should be more investment in developing a city environment thats suitable for bikers as well as public transportation users. However, I dont understand why these recommendations are said to be inspired particularly by women.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent first post.  I enjoyed the read.  Can&#039;t wait to hear more from your perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent first post.  I enjoyed the read.  Can&#8217;t wait to hear more from your perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The city&#039;s bike plan should look more like your map Enci! Great article. Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city&#8217;s bike plan should look more like your map Enci! Great article. Keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to be dense, but what have Sheriffs said to you while you wait at the Red Line station?</description>
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		<title>By: Starla Hashimoto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starla Hashimoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right, Enci.  I just read your post a few hours ago and fell upon this Scientific American article that supports your claim on bike friendliness: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=getting-more-bicyclists-on-the-road

Keep up the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right, Enci.  I just read your post a few hours ago and fell upon this Scientific American article that supports your claim on bike friendliness: <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=getting-more-bicyclists-on-the-road" rel="nofollow">http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=getting-more-bicyclists-on-the-road</a></p>
<p>Keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Coan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy Coan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So awesome to find like-minded folks.  I am a single mother of two pre-teen and teenage kids...and we&#039;ve been car-free by choice for going on 3 years.  We love it.  But there are issues...great post.  Enjoyed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So awesome to find like-minded folks.  I am a single mother of two pre-teen and teenage kids&#8230;and we&#8217;ve been car-free by choice for going on 3 years.  We love it.  But there are issues&#8230;great post.  Enjoyed it.</p>
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