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	<title>Comments on: LAPD Training USC Security That &#8220;Biking in Crosswalks&#8221; Is Illegal</title>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-61631</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s easy money and the city needs $$. as simple as that. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it's easy money and the city needs $$. as simple as that. =)</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-38251</link>
		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USc has a Master Plan, and to formulate that Master Plan they have hired private consultants Fehr &amp; Peers Transportation. F&amp;P are experts in traffic calming!

http://www.fehrandpeers.com/bicyclepedestrian.php

Who might a reporter/advocate contact to start working with USC to steer their lobbying efforts towards more bike- and pedestrian-friendly streets?

You would probably want to start with their External Affairs group:

http://communities.usc.edu/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USc has a Master Plan, and to formulate that Master Plan they have hired private consultants Fehr &amp; Peers Transportation. F&amp;P are experts in traffic calming!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fehrandpeers.com/bicyclepedestrian.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.fehrandpeers.com/bicyclepedestrian.php</a></p>
<p>Who might a reporter/advocate contact to start working with USC to steer their lobbying efforts towards more bike- and pedestrian-friendly streets?</p>
<p>You would probably want to start with their External Affairs group:</p>
<p><a href="http://communities.usc.edu/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://communities.usc.edu/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34741</link>
		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those &quot;principles&quot; likely have nothing to do with measuring the trips taken on foot or by bicycle. Likewise, the amount of bike vs. car, bike vs. ped, etc. crashes and injuries also have nothing to do with these &quot;principles&quot;. I say this because the city does not measure any of these things when they make their determinations.

So, if it is not the measured safety, nor the measured amount of trips, nor any other measure - then it must be something meaningless like the direction the winds are blowing after lunch in the LADOT&#039;s offices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those "principles" likely have nothing to do with measuring the trips taken on foot or by bicycle. Likewise, the amount of bike vs. car, bike vs. ped, etc. crashes and injuries also have nothing to do with these "principles". I say this because the city does not measure any of these things when they make their determinations.</p>
<p>So, if it is not the measured safety, nor the measured amount of trips, nor any other measure - then it must be something meaningless like the direction the winds are blowing after lunch in the LADOT's offices.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Bernardi</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34521</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Bernardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fast forward four months. Damien Newton reports in L.A. Streetsblog that the Los Angeles Police Department is “training USC Security that ‘biking in crosswalks’ is illegal.”...Except there’s one little problem with that enforcement program: Riding a bike through an intersection doesn’t “violate regulations.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fast forward four months. Damien Newton reports in L.A. Streetsblog that the Los Angeles Police Department is “training USC Security that ‘biking in crosswalks’ is illegal.”...Except there’s one little problem with that enforcement program: Riding a bike through an intersection doesn’t “violate regulations.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Bernardi</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34491</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Bernardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fast forward four months. Damien Newton reports in L.A. Streetsblog that the Los Angeles Police Department is “training USC Security that ‘biking in crosswalks’ is illegal.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fast forward four months. Damien Newton reports in L.A. Streetsblog that the Los Angeles Police Department is “training USC Security that ‘biking in crosswalks’ is illegal.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DJwheels</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34471</link>
		<dc:creator>DJwheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, bzcat and calwatch.  


I&#039;m still a little concerned with DPS authority to issue traffic citations for this though.  

If there really are signs around campus prohibiting riding in the crosswalk, the citations should properly list the municipal code violation and not the vehicle code because the CVC is ambiguous, at best, on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, bzcat and calwatch.  </p>
<p>I'm still a little concerned with DPS authority to issue traffic citations for this though.  </p>
<p>If there really are signs around campus prohibiting riding in the crosswalk, the citations should properly list the municipal code violation and not the vehicle code because the CVC is ambiguous, at best, on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Newton</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34451</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SEC. 85.07. REGULATION OF ROLLER-SKATING, SKATEBOARDING AND BICYCLING. (Added by Ord. No. 166,526, Eff. 1/27/91.) (a) The Department of Transportation is hereby authorized to install any traffic control devices it determines necessary to regulate roller-skating, skateboarding and bicycling on sidewalks and roadways in order to improve vehicular or pedestrian movement, reduce congestion or diminish accident potential. Such determinations shall be made only on the basis of traffic engineering principles and traffic investigations. When such determinations have been made, the Department is authorized to install signs giving notice as to the nature of the regulation as well as signs that provide such safety warnings as it determines will assist those engaged in the regulated activities.

(b) No person shall roller-skate, skateboard, or operate a bicycle in violation of the limitations set forth on regulatory signs posted pursuant to this section.
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I wonder what the &quot;traffic engineering principals and determinations&quot; are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SEC. 85.07. REGULATION OF ROLLER-SKATING, SKATEBOARDING AND BICYCLING. (Added by Ord. No. 166,526, Eff. 1/27/91.) (a) The Department of Transportation is hereby authorized to install any traffic control devices it determines necessary to regulate roller-skating, skateboarding and bicycling on sidewalks and roadways in order to improve vehicular or pedestrian movement, reduce congestion or diminish accident potential. Such determinations shall be made only on the basis of traffic engineering principles and traffic investigations. When such determinations have been made, the Department is authorized to install signs giving notice as to the nature of the regulation as well as signs that provide such safety warnings as it determines will assist those engaged in the regulated activities.</p>
<p>(b) No person shall roller-skate, skateboard, or operate a bicycle in violation of the limitations set forth on regulatory signs posted pursuant to this section.<br />
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<p>I wonder what the "traffic engineering principals and determinations" are.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34391</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Ignore my first comment - I missed that highway includes street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Ignore my first comment - I missed that highway includes street.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34381</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless, apparently there are signs which say &quot;walk your bike in the crosswalk&quot; so the violation is of an LA municipal code. SEC. 85.07.  REGULATION OF ROLLER-SKATING, SKATEBOARDING AND BICYCLING.

I&#039;d question whether or not those signs are at all visible, since I had no idea they existed until my friend told me (and she only realized their existence after she was told of them - by the officer issuing her a ticket).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless, apparently there are signs which say "walk your bike in the crosswalk" so the violation is of an LA municipal code. SEC. 85.07.  REGULATION OF ROLLER-SKATING, SKATEBOARDING AND BICYCLING.</p>
<p>I'd question whether or not those signs are at all visible, since I had no idea they existed until my friend told me (and she only realized their existence after she was told of them - by the officer issuing her a ticket).</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34361</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m wrong, but doesn&#039;t CVC 21200 relate to operation of bicycles on a highway, not a roadway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't CVC 21200 relate to operation of bicycles on a highway, not a roadway?</p>
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		<title>By: calwatch</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34351</link>
		<dc:creator>calwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, at the &#039;furd, Santa Clara County has deputized those officers patrolling the LSJU campus with the same powers as any Santa Clara County sheriff. (It helps that LSJU is all within unincorporated territory.) I don&#039;t see LAPD giving those powers to U$C any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, at the 'furd, Santa Clara County has deputized those officers patrolling the LSJU campus with the same powers as any Santa Clara County sheriff. (It helps that LSJU is all within unincorporated territory.) I don't see LAPD giving those powers to U$C any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: calwatch</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34341</link>
		<dc:creator>calwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This came up when conservative talk show host John Ziegler was &quot;arrested&quot; by USC security for protesting Katie Couric receiving a journalism award. The consensus is that USC security have specifically delineated powers through a memorandum of understanding. 

Here is a good article about this: http://blogs.uscannenberg.org/neontommy/2009/04/universitys-campus-safety-expa.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This came up when conservative talk show host John Ziegler was "arrested" by USC security for protesting Katie Couric receiving a journalism award. The consensus is that USC security have specifically delineated powers through a memorandum of understanding. </p>
<p>Here is a good article about this: <a href="http://blogs.uscannenberg.org/neontommy/2009/04/universitys-campus-safety-expa.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.uscannenberg.org/neontommy/2009/04/universitys-campus-safety-expa.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34281</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 03:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a cyclist with the &quot;rights and responsibilities&quot; of a vehicle, the defenition under the law SHOULD offer all cyclists equal protection. Just like a vehicle can&#039;t slam into another vehicle for no good reason, a vehicle can&#039;t force another vehicle off the road. The California Vehicle Code provides some solid foundations; in my opinion the trouble is getting enforcement and vehicle drivers to understand and abide by the regulations.

However, by the defenition, a bicycle in a crosswalk must yield right-of-way to a pedestrian. Therefore, in very busy pedestrian environments, a bicycle probably shouldn&#039;t be ridden in a crosswalk (in terms of riding with the flow of pedestrian traffic). A bicycle crossing a crosswalk (perpendicular to the flow of pedestrian traffic) would have to abide by regulations for vehicles within a crosswalk (basically OK but must yield to peds and cannot advance if peds are present).

A lot of these laws are in place to ensure safety for all users of the transportation system, so a little understanding of the premise may allow for a more reasonable debate and ultimately a solution that benefits all users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a cyclist with the "rights and responsibilities" of a vehicle, the defenition under the law SHOULD offer all cyclists equal protection. Just like a vehicle can't slam into another vehicle for no good reason, a vehicle can't force another vehicle off the road. The California Vehicle Code provides some solid foundations; in my opinion the trouble is getting enforcement and vehicle drivers to understand and abide by the regulations.</p>
<p>However, by the defenition, a bicycle in a crosswalk must yield right-of-way to a pedestrian. Therefore, in very busy pedestrian environments, a bicycle probably shouldn't be ridden in a crosswalk (in terms of riding with the flow of pedestrian traffic). A bicycle crossing a crosswalk (perpendicular to the flow of pedestrian traffic) would have to abide by regulations for vehicles within a crosswalk (basically OK but must yield to peds and cannot advance if peds are present).</p>
<p>A lot of these laws are in place to ensure safety for all users of the transportation system, so a little understanding of the premise may allow for a more reasonable debate and ultimately a solution that benefits all users.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34231</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@angle (was your question directed at me or the other Joe above? or was it just a rhetorical question?)

Instead of comparing cars/bikes to CEO/secretaries... I think it&#039;s more like cars/bikes to drudgery/freedom. Sure, bicyclists in L.A. don&#039;t get the facilities we need and deserve... but I&#039;d still much rather be on a bike here than sludging through traffic. The &quot;effective difference&quot; is that it&#039;s fun and healthy and liberating to be on a bike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@angle (was your question directed at me or the other Joe above? or was it just a rhetorical question?)</p>
<p>Instead of comparing cars/bikes to CEO/secretaries... I think it's more like cars/bikes to drudgery/freedom. Sure, bicyclists in L.A. don't get the facilities we need and deserve... but I'd still much rather be on a bike here than sludging through traffic. The "effective difference" is that it's fun and healthy and liberating to be on a bike.</p>
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		<title>By: bzcat</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34221</link>
		<dc:creator>bzcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ DJwheels

USC Department of Public Safety Officers (DPS) are fully deputized LAPD community affairs officer. They have the power to patrol, detain suspect (but not arrest), and issue traffic citations. They also assists LAPD in all manners of crime investigation and law enforcement in surrounding non-University owned property and neighborhoods in the University Park and the adjacent Exposition Park areas. Although technically, they only have jurisdiction over students, staff, and faculty at USC, they are essentially the University Park sub-station of LAPD, except they are paid by USC instead of the city. When a local resident in University Park calls 911, the dispatch at LAPD will send out DPS at first responder rather than LAPD, which can be called by DPS is they need backup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ DJwheels</p>
<p>USC Department of Public Safety Officers (DPS) are fully deputized LAPD community affairs officer. They have the power to patrol, detain suspect (but not arrest), and issue traffic citations. They also assists LAPD in all manners of crime investigation and law enforcement in surrounding non-University owned property and neighborhoods in the University Park and the adjacent Exposition Park areas. Although technically, they only have jurisdiction over students, staff, and faculty at USC, they are essentially the University Park sub-station of LAPD, except they are paid by USC instead of the city. When a local resident in University Park calls 911, the dispatch at LAPD will send out DPS at first responder rather than LAPD, which can be called by DPS is they need backup.</p>
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		<title>By: angle</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34211</link>
		<dc:creator>angle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Joe:

Here&#039;s what bugs me about that law: what is the effective difference between having the &quot;rights and responsibilities&quot; of a vehicle driver and actually BEING a vehicle driver?

It&#039;s kind of like shouldering the responsibilities of being a CEO, but having the job title of &quot;Assistant Secretary&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Joe:</p>
<p>Here's what bugs me about that law: what is the effective difference between having the "rights and responsibilities" of a vehicle driver and actually BEING a vehicle driver?</p>
<p>It's kind of like shouldering the responsibilities of being a CEO, but having the job title of "Assistant Secretary".</p>
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		<title>By: angle</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34201</link>
		<dc:creator>angle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think for a lot of people, killing a cyclist is a devastating experience and many of those people, even if they are not at fault, cry before they sleep that night.&quot;

OK, that&#039;s a fair point, and I did not intend to imply that cyclists don&#039;t have a social obligation to ride responsibly, or that their actions only affect their personal safety. 

More specifically stated, I could have said that the attitude of some people regarding cyclists on public roads is that they are intruding into an arena where they are out of place and unavoidably in danger, similar to a stray animal. Since you can&#039;t expect stray animals to act in a responsible manner, there&#039;s no policies in place for how they might integrate into traffic.

Certainly, with cyclists, there are some laws that purport to integrate them into traffic (stay to the right or in the bike lane), but when a situation arises like the one in this post, where there&#039;s no definitive law in place, it usually ends up that the cyclist is at fault. The logic seems to be that since city streets aren&#039;t really designed for cycling, it&#039;s counter-productive to (legally) blame motorists for colliding with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I think for a lot of people, killing a cyclist is a devastating experience and many of those people, even if they are not at fault, cry before they sleep that night."</p>
<p>OK, that's a fair point, and I did not intend to imply that cyclists don't have a social obligation to ride responsibly, or that their actions only affect their personal safety. </p>
<p>More specifically stated, I could have said that the attitude of some people regarding cyclists on public roads is that they are intruding into an arena where they are out of place and unavoidably in danger, similar to a stray animal. Since you can't expect stray animals to act in a responsible manner, there's no policies in place for how they might integrate into traffic.</p>
<p>Certainly, with cyclists, there are some laws that purport to integrate them into traffic (stay to the right or in the bike lane), but when a situation arises like the one in this post, where there's no definitive law in place, it usually ends up that the cyclist is at fault. The logic seems to be that since city streets aren't really designed for cycling, it's counter-productive to (legally) blame motorists for colliding with them.</p>
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		<title>By: woc</title>
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		<dc:creator>woc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about spending some time going after people who violate real laws like those jerks on bicycles that NEVER stop at the pedestrian crosswalks, where there&#039;s a big red stop sign.  Even when there&#039;s human traffic on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about spending some time going after people who violate real laws like those jerks on bicycles that NEVER stop at the pedestrian crosswalks, where there's a big red stop sign.  Even when there's human traffic on them.</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, when is the next staged bicycle protest in the crosswalks at USC going to be? We could just circle a crosswalk waiting to be &quot;cited&quot; or &quot;ticketed&quot; or whatever, and then contest it in court to see what the heck is going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, when is the next staged bicycle protest in the crosswalks at USC going to be? We could just circle a crosswalk waiting to be "cited" or "ticketed" or whatever, and then contest it in court to see what the heck is going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/23/lapd-training-usc-security-that-biking-in-crosswalks-is-illegal/comment-page-1/#comment-34161</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Allison - Will is right. Legally under the California Vehicle Code, bicycles are not vehicles, they&#039;re devices. The officer was wrong. (I&#039;m shocked. jk)

Not sure that this distinction serves us cyclists or gets us respect or anything... and I do think that bicyclists should behave like (nice, light, friendly) vehicles... but, in the letter of the law, bicycles definitely aren&#039;t vehicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Allison - Will is right. Legally under the California Vehicle Code, bicycles are not vehicles, they're devices. The officer was wrong. (I'm shocked. jk)</p>
<p>Not sure that this distinction serves us cyclists or gets us respect or anything... and I do think that bicyclists should behave like (nice, light, friendly) vehicles... but, in the letter of the law, bicycles definitely aren't vehicles.</p>
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