Comments on: Consensus on National Transport Goals Still Eludes Industry Pros http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/10/consensus-on-national-transport-goals-still-eludes-industry-pros/ Covering Los Angeles's livable streets movement Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Justin N http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/10/consensus-on-national-transport-goals-still-eludes-industry-pros/comment-page-1/#comment-30541 Justin N Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:27:03 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=10701#comment-30541 "If you pick a goal, you may be inherently picking a winner from the mode system," Lentzsch said. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with picking sustainable transport methods and letting them win. I'm okay with saying to the private automobile, "Hey! You don't meet our goals! You lose!" “If you pick a goal, you may be inherently picking a winner from the mode system,” Lentzsch said.

I’m okay with that. I’m okay with picking sustainable transport methods and letting them win. I’m okay with saying to the private automobile, “Hey! You don’t meet our goals! You lose!”

]]> By: DJB http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/10/consensus-on-national-transport-goals-still-eludes-industry-pros/comment-page-1/#comment-30481 DJB Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:09:44 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=10701#comment-30481 On the bright side though, my dad rode the Blue Line for the first time a couple weeks ago. Sometimes, you push and push thinking you aren't making any progress, and then people surprise you . . . On the bright side though, my dad rode the Blue Line for the first time a couple weeks ago. Sometimes, you push and push thinking you aren’t making any progress, and then people surprise you . . .

]]> By: kellyp http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/10/consensus-on-national-transport-goals-still-eludes-industry-pros/comment-page-1/#comment-30461 kellyp Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:22:07 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=10701#comment-30461 @DJB true. @DJB

true.

]]> By: DJB http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/10/consensus-on-national-transport-goals-still-eludes-industry-pros/comment-page-1/#comment-30111 DJB Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:28:21 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=10701#comment-30111 The goals average Americans have for the transportation system chill me to the bone. Make it easier for more cars to drive more quickly. This is the visceral, gut reaction your average American has when you ask him/her about what needs to be done to "fix" our transportation system. And then when you ask: What about the environment? Shit, I've got places to drive / only SUVs are safe / people with good cars are successful. What about bikes? They take away too much space from cars / those people are crazy. What about transit? Only poor people ride that / it's too slow. What about walking? I walk, to my driveway. Gasoline? It's too expensive!!! Gas tax holiday! Urban Form? Decent people live in suburbs. That's the American Dream. Parking? Build more! Parking must always be free! Obesity? That's why I drive to the gym. Well, that's why this blog exists right? We should create an inspiring vision of the future we could have, that never looses sight of the present we are still struggling out of. How do you get different ideas from wonks' heads into mainstream discussions? The goals average Americans have for the transportation system chill me to the bone. Make it easier for more cars to drive more quickly. This is the visceral, gut reaction your average American has when you ask him/her about what needs to be done to “fix” our transportation system. And then when you ask:

What about the environment?
Shit, I’ve got places to drive / only SUVs are safe / people with good cars are successful.

What about bikes?
They take away too much space from cars / those people are crazy.

What about transit?
Only poor people ride that / it’s too slow.

What about walking?
I walk, to my driveway.

Gasoline?
It’s too expensive!!! Gas tax holiday!

Urban Form?
Decent people live in suburbs. That’s the American Dream.

Parking?
Build more! Parking must always be free!

Obesity?
That’s why I drive to the gym.

Well, that’s why this blog exists right? We should create an inspiring vision of the future we could have, that never looses sight of the present we are still struggling out of. How do you get different ideas from wonks’ heads into mainstream discussions?

]]> By: Dana Gabbard http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/09/10/consensus-on-national-transport-goals-still-eludes-industry-pros/comment-page-1/#comment-30101 Dana Gabbard Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:16:57 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=10701#comment-30101 Goals sound great in concept but they can easily become the cart leading the horse--projects will be conceptualized and deformed to meet the criteria of the goals which sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? Especially a set of goals being set at the national level are likely an illusion not worth chasing. Goals sound great in concept but they can easily become the cart leading the horse–projects will be conceptualized and deformed to meet the criteria of the goals which sort of defeats the purpose, doesn’t it? Especially a set of goals being set at the national level are likely an illusion not worth chasing.

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