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	<title>Comments on: CD 2 Questionnaire: Frank Sheftel Responds</title>
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		<title>By: 72HW</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/08/17/cd-2-questionnaire-frank-sheftel-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-23301</link>
		<dc:creator>72HW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe - I agree with you on all points indeed. If Sheftel has a study (they don&#039;t count cyclists, why would the count cyclist injuries?!) I would like to read it...

And yes, if there are more cyclists streets can be made safer, and often times are, due to increased public demand. My point was simply the &quot;nOOb&quot; biker dumping it at a light, novice fixie rider going ass over tea kettle and other similar accidents that result in hospital or doctor visits may contribute to a perceived increase of cycling injuries. 

I like that European study BTW - nice to know young males drive like shit in places other than LA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe &#8211; I agree with you on all points indeed. If Sheftel has a study (they don&#8217;t count cyclists, why would the count cyclist injuries?!) I would like to read it&#8230;</p>
<p>And yes, if there are more cyclists streets can be made safer, and often times are, due to increased public demand. My point was simply the &#8220;nOOb&#8221; biker dumping it at a light, novice fixie rider going ass over tea kettle and other similar accidents that result in hospital or doctor visits may contribute to a perceived increase of cycling injuries. </p>
<p>I like that European study BTW &#8211; nice to know young males drive like shit in places other than LA!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@72HW - Any actual evidence of more people riding now in L.A.? I think that I see it in my own travel... but it all seems really anecdotal.

Also, with more people riding, there isn&#039;t necessarily an increase in injuries - in fact injuries can decrease. There&#039;s a documented &quot;safety in numbers&quot; effect. See for example:
http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/06/05/in-new-york-more-proof-of-safety-in-numbers-for-cyclists/

I personally - entirely anecdotally - Joe&#039;s uneducated guess - think that in LA, cycling in increasing, and that injuries aren&#039;t increasing. I think that is especially likely to be true if compare what a similar injury rate would have been had these new cyclists been driving. There&#039;s a European study that says that, especially for younger males (under age 50,) the risk of injury is less on a bike than it is in a car. See http://www.networks.nhs.uk/uploads/07/11/cycling_and_health.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@72HW &#8211; Any actual evidence of more people riding now in L.A.? I think that I see it in my own travel&#8230; but it all seems really anecdotal.</p>
<p>Also, with more people riding, there isn&#8217;t necessarily an increase in injuries &#8211; in fact injuries can decrease. There&#8217;s a documented &#8220;safety in numbers&#8221; effect. See for example:<br />
<a href="http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/06/05/in-new-york-more-proof-of-safety-in-numbers-for-cyclists/" rel="nofollow">http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/06/05/in-new-york-more-proof-of-safety-in-numbers-for-cyclists/</a></p>
<p>I personally &#8211; entirely anecdotally &#8211; Joe&#8217;s uneducated guess &#8211; think that in LA, cycling in increasing, and that injuries aren&#8217;t increasing. I think that is especially likely to be true if compare what a similar injury rate would have been had these new cyclists been driving. There&#8217;s a European study that says that, especially for younger males (under age 50,) the risk of injury is less on a bike than it is in a car. See <a href="http://www.networks.nhs.uk/uploads/07/11/cycling_and_health.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.networks.nhs.uk/uploads/07/11/cycling_and_health.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: 72HW</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/08/17/cd-2-questionnaire-frank-sheftel-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-23261</link>
		<dc:creator>72HW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe - I would assume with more people riding now the incidence of injury are necessarily higher. Cyclists who have not ridden in a long time may have an increased chance of injury, as are those who are brand new to the lifestyle. Add to this the popularity of fixed gear bikes skyrocketing, I can see where an increase of injury could be a reality. 

I do wonder what he bases his comment on though....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe &#8211; I would assume with more people riding now the incidence of injury are necessarily higher. Cyclists who have not ridden in a long time may have an increased chance of injury, as are those who are brand new to the lifestyle. Add to this the popularity of fixed gear bikes skyrocketing, I can see where an increase of injury could be a reality. </p>
<p>I do wonder what he bases his comment on though&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/08/17/cd-2-questionnaire-frank-sheftel-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-23241</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Cyclists injures have also been on a dramatic increase&quot; - Anyone aware of any evidence of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Cyclists injures have also been on a dramatic increase&#8221; &#8211; Anyone aware of any evidence of this?</p>
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