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	<title>Comments on: Metro Shuffles the Deck on Security</title>
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		<title>By: cj teacher</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/08/07/metro-shuffles-the-deck-on-security/comment-page-1/#comment-615139</link>
		<dc:creator>cj teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the story does not state is that after firing the top 2 guys, Art Leahy hired another DEO with a different title and gave him the responsibilities of over-seeing the contract with the Sheriff&#039;s Dept. This is a nearly $70 MILLION dollar contract that was run without Metro oversight before Mr. Eckles was hired. Eliminating him and replacing him with a &quot;yes&quot; man has allowed LASD to use METRO as their personal piggybank. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the story does not state is that after firing the top 2 guys, Art Leahy hired another DEO with a different title and gave him the responsibilities of over-seeing the contract with the Sheriff&#8217;s Dept. This is a nearly $70 MILLION dollar contract that was run without Metro oversight before Mr. Eckles was hired. Eliminating him and replacing him with a &#8220;yes&#8221; man has allowed LASD to use METRO as their personal piggybank. </p>
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		<title>By: Randall BusTard</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/08/07/metro-shuffles-the-deck-on-security/comment-page-1/#comment-21761</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall BusTard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,
Make that TWO &quot;former police officers&quot; with whom you have spake on the issue of firearms. 

CQB—Close Quarters Combat—is not the same in one&#039;s residence as it is in a crowded public space, especially a space in which several modes of poorly planned public transit and long passageways prompt commuters to rush in a way that might prompt an armed person to react in an unfavourable fashion.

I concur with the concern regarding colour-coded firearms. They are usually deployed along with personnel whose lethal rounds can back up a situation that a clearly marked non-lethal Taser device or bean-bag device fails to deter. 

In this case, however, a well-trained armed guard with a lethal pistol is what is required. The architecture at Union Station is solid—unlike that of a personal residence where pine frames and drywall tend to be all that separates most rooms—and a properly trained person would be able to guide a rifled bullet to its intended target with a finesse that a non-rifled slug or rapidly widening blast of shot could not possibly perform.

brianguy: As for the future of fare collection duties, I would caution against never saying never.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
Make that TWO &#8220;former police officers&#8221; with whom you have spake on the issue of firearms. </p>
<p>CQB—Close Quarters Combat—is not the same in one&#8217;s residence as it is in a crowded public space, especially a space in which several modes of poorly planned public transit and long passageways prompt commuters to rush in a way that might prompt an armed person to react in an unfavourable fashion.</p>
<p>I concur with the concern regarding colour-coded firearms. They are usually deployed along with personnel whose lethal rounds can back up a situation that a clearly marked non-lethal Taser device or bean-bag device fails to deter. </p>
<p>In this case, however, a well-trained armed guard with a lethal pistol is what is required. The architecture at Union Station is solid—unlike that of a personal residence where pine frames and drywall tend to be all that separates most rooms—and a properly trained person would be able to guide a rifled bullet to its intended target with a finesse that a non-rifled slug or rapidly widening blast of shot could not possibly perform.</p>
<p>brianguy: As for the future of fare collection duties, I would caution against never saying never.</p>
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		<title>By: brianguy</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/08/07/metro-shuffles-the-deck-on-security/comment-page-1/#comment-21641</link>
		<dc:creator>brianguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric G. it was already pointed out above that the fare collection will stay with the Metro Security and in no way be transitioned to the Sherriffs.

also this was a good article and appreciated, except for all the &quot;Sherrif&#039;s&quot; sprinkled throughout.  spellcheck more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric G. it was already pointed out above that the fare collection will stay with the Metro Security and in no way be transitioned to the Sherriffs.</p>
<p>also this was a good article and appreciated, except for all the &#8220;Sherrif&#8217;s&#8221; sprinkled throughout.  spellcheck more.</p>
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		<title>By: David Galvan</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/08/07/metro-shuffles-the-deck-on-security/comment-page-1/#comment-20401</link>
		<dc:creator>David Galvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m sure the fact that the sheriffs have visible firearms is a major deterrent to would be thieves.  I think sheriffs having firearms while collecting TVM money is appropriate.  Just like when armed personnel come to take collections from ATM&#039;s.

As for what type of firearm is best for that situation, I&#039;m no expert, but I would think that beanbag-type guns would be best for the sheriffs to carry in this situation, although if people could recognize that they were non-lethal weapons, they would probably lose some of their deterrent effect.

I once spoke with my buddy, a former police officer, about what he thought about guns as weapons of home defense.  He said he thought shotguns were probably the best bet, because a shotgun fired at close range is deadly, but at a moderate distance the shot pellets spread out, become less dangerous, and are less likely to penetrate walls.  Whereas handguns can more easily penetrate interior walls of ones home at large distances, increasing the likelihood of accidentally harming one&#039;s own family members if firing inside the home at an intruder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m sure the fact that the sheriffs have visible firearms is a major deterrent to would be thieves.  I think sheriffs having firearms while collecting TVM money is appropriate.  Just like when armed personnel come to take collections from ATM&#8217;s.</p>
<p>As for what type of firearm is best for that situation, I&#8217;m no expert, but I would think that beanbag-type guns would be best for the sheriffs to carry in this situation, although if people could recognize that they were non-lethal weapons, they would probably lose some of their deterrent effect.</p>
<p>I once spoke with my buddy, a former police officer, about what he thought about guns as weapons of home defense.  He said he thought shotguns were probably the best bet, because a shotgun fired at close range is deadly, but at a moderate distance the shot pellets spread out, become less dangerous, and are less likely to penetrate walls.  Whereas handguns can more easily penetrate interior walls of ones home at large distances, increasing the likelihood of accidentally harming one&#8217;s own family members if firing inside the home at an intruder.</p>
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		<title>By: Randall BusTard</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/08/07/metro-shuffles-the-deck-on-security/comment-page-1/#comment-20301</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall BusTard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at Union Station on 28 July, filming the giant fan that was in the Union Station end of the corridor. The cash-collecting goons walked between me and the fan, and I got a very good look at the shotgun the second guard (who was trailing the man with the money). Non-lethal cartridge issues are identified by colour markings, and this was not such a weapon. There was also a bandolier of shotgun cartridges, which clearly marked the style of firearm. However, I could not confirm if it were shot or slug in the cartridge. 

I watched in amazement as these two very serious people strolled through the throngs of mid-afternoon commuters, thinking how many people could get maimed or killed in the event of a heist. I also thought that in the event of a firefight, the agencies responsible might lose a lot more money (and favourable public opinion) than could be possibly &quot;protected&quot; after being sued by innocent bystanders mowed down by shotgun blasts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at Union Station on 28 July, filming the giant fan that was in the Union Station end of the corridor. The cash-collecting goons walked between me and the fan, and I got a very good look at the shotgun the second guard (who was trailing the man with the money). Non-lethal cartridge issues are identified by colour markings, and this was not such a weapon. There was also a bandolier of shotgun cartridges, which clearly marked the style of firearm. However, I could not confirm if it were shot or slug in the cartridge. </p>
<p>I watched in amazement as these two very serious people strolled through the throngs of mid-afternoon commuters, thinking how many people could get maimed or killed in the event of a heist. I also thought that in the event of a firefight, the agencies responsible might lose a lot more money (and favourable public opinion) than could be possibly &#8220;protected&#8221; after being sued by innocent bystanders mowed down by shotgun blasts.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ David

Nope.  Shotgun with spare shells on the strap.  All to protect ticket stock?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David</p>
<p>Nope.  Shotgun with spare shells on the strap.  All to protect ticket stock?</p>
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		<title>By: David Galvan</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/08/07/metro-shuffles-the-deck-on-security/comment-page-1/#comment-20071</link>
		<dc:creator>David Galvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(you sure it&#039;s not a beanbag gun?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(you sure it&#8217;s not a beanbag gun?)</p>
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		<title>By: Erik G.</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/08/07/metro-shuffles-the-deck-on-security/comment-page-1/#comment-20021</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 23:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many TVM&#039;s will the Sheriffs block off while servicing, restocking and collecting money from the TVM&#039;s.

Will it be 2 out of 3?

Will it be 3 out of 5?

Or will it be contracted out to the same goons who do said for Metrolink while brandishing a shotgun (always a precise weapon in crowded situations-NOT!) ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many TVM&#8217;s will the Sheriffs block off while servicing, restocking and collecting money from the TVM&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Will it be 2 out of 3?</p>
<p>Will it be 3 out of 5?</p>
<p>Or will it be contracted out to the same goons who do said for Metrolink while brandishing a shotgun (always a precise weapon in crowded situations-NOT!) ?</p>
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		<title>By: Crazy Commuter</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/08/07/metro-shuffles-the-deck-on-security/comment-page-1/#comment-19971</link>
		<dc:creator>Crazy Commuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s really melodromatic.

Now can we lock the door and say &quot;No&quot; to Breda and the company that makes the turnstiles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s really melodromatic.</p>
<p>Now can we lock the door and say &#8220;No&#8221; to Breda and the company that makes the turnstiles?</p>
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		<title>By: Jarrett at HumanTransit.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarrett at HumanTransit.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Jovial persona?&quot;  Well, sure.  Jovial people are always the best executioners; it&#039;s the obverse of the common observation that melancholy people make the best clowns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jovial persona?&#8221;  Well, sure.  Jovial people are always the best executioners; it&#8217;s the obverse of the common observation that melancholy people make the best clowns.</p>
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