Comments on: Friday Night a Bloody One. Two Cyclists Shot in the Back on Different Rides (Updated) http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/ Covering Los Angeles's livable streets movement Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:23:58 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Zane Selvans http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/comment-page-1/#comment-13111 Zane Selvans Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:06:12 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=3411#comment-13111 Not quite a bike accident... but <a href="http://www.bikewise.org/pub/report/crash/224" rel="nofollow">added to the Bikewise Database</a> anyway. Other people feel free to help me out on this... Not quite a bike accident... but added to the Bikewise Database anyway. Other people feel free to help me out on this...

]]> By: Gotchaa http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/comment-page-1/#comment-12841 Gotchaa Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:52:50 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=3411#comment-12841 I think you report the facts and let people decide. I for one am puzzled how some have become so apathetic to this kind of late night/Early morning attack regardless of where it occurs. Does it put it in perspective, yes, is it okay for us to just use common sense and avoid the area late at night? Probably, but is it really okay this goes on at all? If you live or work in the community get involved and help be part of the solution... I think you report the facts and let people decide. I for one am puzzled how some have become so apathetic to this kind of late night/Early morning attack regardless of where it occurs. Does it put it in perspective, yes, is it okay for us to just use common sense and avoid the area late at night? Probably, but is it really okay this goes on at all? If you live or work in the community get involved and help be part of the solution...

]]> By: B! http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/comment-page-1/#comment-12091 B! Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:29:49 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=3411#comment-12091 calwatch: while I agree with you that we should be mindful to not scare away everyday bike riders in these neighborhoods with exaggeration/misleading info, I disagree about the time-of-day argument and 'normal' riders. I was also on the art ride on Saturday night (thanks Ubrayj), which didn't get to the Bike Oven until almost 11PM, and I didn't leave until 12:30AM after grabbing some food, which meant I was cycling through Highland Park (thankfully with a friend) on my way home at roughly the same time of night as these events occurred. I don't think Damien's coverage skewed the info - attacks like these at any time of day are a threat to any cyclists that use these streets to get around. calwatch: while I agree with you that we should be mindful to not scare away everyday bike riders in these neighborhoods with exaggeration/misleading info, I disagree about the time-of-day argument and 'normal' riders. I was also on the art ride on Saturday night (thanks Ubrayj), which didn't get to the Bike Oven until almost 11PM, and I didn't leave until 12:30AM after grabbing some food, which meant I was cycling through Highland Park (thankfully with a friend) on my way home at roughly the same time of night as these events occurred. I don't think Damien's coverage skewed the info - attacks like these at any time of day are a threat to any cyclists that use these streets to get around.

]]> By: calwatch http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/comment-page-1/#comment-12071 calwatch Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:56:14 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=3411#comment-12071 Then link to an article on one of the community blogs or the TV news. Don't scare people away from something like Brayj's event, which again ends at least two hours before this group even gets started. Most people are NOT going to be riding through these neighborhoods at 1 AM in the morning. Everyone deserves to be safe, BUT you need to understand the risk of riding through these kinds of neighborhoods like at night, when it's just you and a few others with no witnesses, even sympathetic car drivers, outside of your group. Then link to an article on one of the community blogs or the TV news. Don't scare people away from something like Brayj's event, which again ends at least two hours before this group even gets started. Most people are NOT going to be riding through these neighborhoods at 1 AM in the morning. Everyone deserves to be safe, BUT you need to understand the risk of riding through these kinds of neighborhoods like at night, when it's just you and a few others with no witnesses, even sympathetic car drivers, outside of your group.

]]> By: Damien Newton http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/comment-page-1/#comment-12061 Damien Newton Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:45:45 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=3411#comment-12061 I see, you get the email which doesn't have any of the updates. Yeah, that's something else I need to fix. There's a lot of quiet edits that happen to stories everyday that don't get UPDATE added to the headline. I clearly agree with you that I should have put more information on the location of the attack since I updated before your comments and all I can say in my defense there is it's hard to write an article intentionally leaving a lot of information out. The first draft had everything you wanted plus pictures, quotes from witnesses, etc...and it all got pulled out for this. If you read the article now you'll also see a reference to the shooting occurring at "nearly the same time" as a late night shooting across town. I see, you get the email which doesn't have any of the updates. Yeah, that's something else I need to fix. There's a lot of quiet edits that happen to stories everyday that don't get UPDATE added to the headline.

I clearly agree with you that I should have put more information on the location of the attack since I updated before your comments and all I can say in my defense there is it's hard to write an article intentionally leaving a lot of information out.

The first draft had everything you wanted plus pictures, quotes from witnesses, etc...and it all got pulled out for this. If you read the article now you'll also see a reference to the shooting occurring at "nearly the same time" as a late night shooting across town.

]]> By: calwatch http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/comment-page-1/#comment-12031 calwatch Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:16:24 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=3411#comment-12031 As an update. It wasn't in the original post. And, as noted, Brayj's art ride is MUCH, MUCH earlier than the one which was shot at. Sorry, I disagree with you there. As an update. It wasn't in the original post. And, as noted, Brayj's art ride is MUCH, MUCH earlier than the one which was shot at. Sorry, I disagree with you there.

]]> By: Damien Newton http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/comment-page-1/#comment-12021 Damien Newton Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:09:10 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=3411#comment-12021 Time of shooting? C'mon. The headline says "Friday Night a Bloody One" and later I refer to "group rides." Does anyone that rides even remotely regularly and reads Streetsblog not know to whom and to what I'm referring? Second, I sort of mention the intersection the altercation occurred at with a link to a map of the area. Time of shooting? C'mon. The headline says "Friday Night a Bloody One" and later I refer to "group rides." Does anyone that rides even remotely regularly and reads Streetsblog not know to whom and to what I'm referring?

Second, I sort of mention the intersection the altercation occurred at with a link to a map of the area.

]]> By: calwatch http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/comment-page-1/#comment-12001 calwatch Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:00:40 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=3411#comment-12001 And while I understand the need to protect a certain group of folks who likes to ride bicycles in the owl period, it IS irresponsible not to note the time of the shooting or the approximate location of the shooting. Failure to do so just engenders fear among regular commuters and recreational riders who don't participate in the militancy of this particular group. And while I understand the need to protect a certain group of folks who likes to ride bicycles in the owl period, it IS irresponsible not to note the time of the shooting or the approximate location of the shooting. Failure to do so just engenders fear among regular commuters and recreational riders who don't participate in the militancy of this particular group.

]]> By: calwatch http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/comment-page-1/#comment-11991 calwatch Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:53:00 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=3411#comment-11991 Here's some more details from LAPD Compstat: Aggravated Assault Avenue 52 and Longfellow 07-11-2009 01:10:00 AM #091116023: Hollenbeck Division: 323-526-3000 Distance: 0.80 miles So this wasn't exactly a daytime ride, but something in the middle of the night. Now everyone deserves to be safe at all hours of the day and night, but the approximate time it occurred is still important since you likely have a combination of alcohol and/or drugs, frayed nerves, and available weapons. Let's not jump to conclusions that the neighborhood is unsafe for normal riders or anything here. Here's some more details from LAPD Compstat:
Aggravated Assault
Avenue 52 and Longfellow
07-11-2009 01:10:00 AM
#091116023:

Hollenbeck Division: 323-526-3000
Distance: 0.80 miles

So this wasn't exactly a daytime ride, but something in the middle of the night. Now everyone deserves to be safe at all hours of the day and night, but the approximate time it occurred is still important since you likely have a combination of alcohol and/or drugs, frayed nerves, and available weapons. Let's not jump to conclusions that the neighborhood is unsafe for normal riders or anything here.

]]> By: WALT! http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/comment-page-1/#comment-11801 WALT! Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:10:17 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=3411#comment-11801 YES! Thank you ubrayj02 for your leadership on that one. It was a great night of art and bikes. I would have hated myself, had I stayed home out of fear. Ride On! YES! Thank you ubrayj02 for your leadership on that one. It was a great night of art and bikes. I would have hated myself, had I stayed home out of fear. Ride On!

]]> By: ubrayj02 http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/comment-page-1/#comment-11661 ubrayj02 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:26:53 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=3411#comment-11661 Saturday night was much better - the Spoke(n) Art Ride went off without anyone taking a trip to the hospital. In fact, we had a really good time in the same neighborhood as that first shooting. Go figure. Cycling can be tough in L.A., and things like this really suck, but it is typically a pretty fun thing to do in the big city. Saturday night was much better - the Spoke(n) Art Ride went off without anyone taking a trip to the hospital. In fact, we had a really good time in the same neighborhood as that first shooting. Go figure. Cycling can be tough in L.A., and things like this really suck, but it is typically a pretty fun thing to do in the big city.

]]> By: Damien Newton http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/comment-page-1/#comment-11651 Damien Newton Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:43:04 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=3411#comment-11651 Yes. I just added some text clarifying that. Yes. I just added some text clarifying that.

]]> By: David Galvan http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/comment-page-1/#comment-11631 David Galvan Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:30:16 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=3411#comment-11631 Was the alleged shooter apprehended by the police? Was the alleged shooter apprehended by the police?

]]> By: J http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/07/13/friday-night-a-bloody-one-two-cyclists-shot-in-the-back-on-different-rides/comment-page-1/#comment-11621 J Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:23:40 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=3411#comment-11621 You know it takes a real man to shoot and unarmed man in the back. You know it takes a real man to shoot and unarmed man in the back.

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