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	<title>Comments on: In New York, Riders Are Indifferent to State of NYCMTA</title>
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		<title>By: DJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think fare increases are the best way to raise revenue for transit in most cases. According to Metro LA&#039;s latest financial report, fares and advertising cover something like a third of their operating costs. For NYC transit it&#039;s something like 2/3s. Capital costs for upgrades all come from taxes.

You have to think about the elasticity of demand for transit rides. If you raise fares by say 10% by what percentage does ridership decrease? If you decrease your ridership, you also decrease your best argument for more public transit funding.

It&#039;s especially problematic to raise transit fares in LA, which has strong political support for low fares to reduce traffic and air pollution. Fare increases also probably function like a regressive tax here, because the average income of a transit rider in LA is probably lower than the average income in LA county.

I say build a movement to increase transit funding through taxation, and only raise fares when you&#039;re backed into a corner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think fare increases are the best way to raise revenue for transit in most cases. According to Metro LA&#8217;s latest financial report, fares and advertising cover something like a third of their operating costs. For NYC transit it&#8217;s something like 2/3s. Capital costs for upgrades all come from taxes.</p>
<p>You have to think about the elasticity of demand for transit rides. If you raise fares by say 10% by what percentage does ridership decrease? If you decrease your ridership, you also decrease your best argument for more public transit funding.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s especially problematic to raise transit fares in LA, which has strong political support for low fares to reduce traffic and air pollution. Fare increases also probably function like a regressive tax here, because the average income of a transit rider in LA is probably lower than the average income in LA county.</p>
<p>I say build a movement to increase transit funding through taxation, and only raise fares when you&#8217;re backed into a corner.</p>
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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;On the eve of yet another fare hike, transit advocates have themselves to blame.&quot;

Great for those of us who aren&#039;t necessarily against fare hikes. You can&#039;t fund an expanding transit system with $1.25 fares. Something has to give, especially when the economy goes to shit and tax revenues are down. The only part of Measure R I did not support was freezing fares for a year. LA should have a $1.50 fare at the very least. I&#039;d bump it up to $1.75 or even $2.00 if the stigma wasn&#039;t there.

Public transit should stand on its own merits, not because it&#039;s less expensive than driving. It&#039;s less expensive than driving but it sucks. Let&#039;s pay our fair share and really foster good mass transit networks across the country. 

If Marcia Roberts thinks she might as well get a car, in New York mind you, it&#039;s going to cost a hell of a lot more than the thousand bucks per year it currently costs her to get around on her 30 passes. These people are bluffing or insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On the eve of yet another fare hike, transit advocates have themselves to blame.&#8221;</p>
<p>Great for those of us who aren&#8217;t necessarily against fare hikes. You can&#8217;t fund an expanding transit system with $1.25 fares. Something has to give, especially when the economy goes to shit and tax revenues are down. The only part of Measure R I did not support was freezing fares for a year. LA should have a $1.50 fare at the very least. I&#8217;d bump it up to $1.75 or even $2.00 if the stigma wasn&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>Public transit should stand on its own merits, not because it&#8217;s less expensive than driving. It&#8217;s less expensive than driving but it sucks. Let&#8217;s pay our fair share and really foster good mass transit networks across the country. </p>
<p>If Marcia Roberts thinks she might as well get a car, in New York mind you, it&#8217;s going to cost a hell of a lot more than the thousand bucks per year it currently costs her to get around on her 30 passes. These people are bluffing or insane.</p>
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		<title>By: DJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People&#039;s frustration with fare hikes and service cuts is understandable. In a way it should make us happy, since it means people value inexpensive and convenient public transportation in NYC.

It would be nice if there were more of a willingness to sacrifice, more of a recognition that transit is worth supporting because of its environmental benefits and such.

I guess we should just remember that riding transit is probably about self interest for most people. When you treat your customers badly, they go elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People&#8217;s frustration with fare hikes and service cuts is understandable. In a way it should make us happy, since it means people value inexpensive and convenient public transportation in NYC.</p>
<p>It would be nice if there were more of a willingness to sacrifice, more of a recognition that transit is worth supporting because of its environmental benefits and such.</p>
<p>I guess we should just remember that riding transit is probably about self interest for most people. When you treat your customers badly, they go elsewhere.</p>
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