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	<title>Comments on: City Starts to Release Bike Plan</title>
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		<title>By: Aurisha</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/29/city-starts-to-release-bike-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-6064</link>
		<dc:creator>Aurisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We, at LACBC, feel these maps are not far-reaching enough and show no commitment to an arterial bike lane network. 

We are critical of the process and the results of the Plan, but are seeing this as an opportunity to educate and influence the city to create positive movement toward meeting the needs of cyclists. 

Please take the time to review the maps and make comments. Your input in crucial.

We will be at Tuesdays BAC meeting to address our concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We, at LACBC, feel these maps are not far-reaching enough and show no commitment to an arterial bike lane network. </p>
<p>We are critical of the process and the results of the Plan, but are seeing this as an opportunity to educate and influence the city to create positive movement toward meeting the needs of cyclists. </p>
<p>Please take the time to review the maps and make comments. Your input in crucial.</p>
<p>We will be at Tuesdays BAC meeting to address our concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: B!</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/29/city-starts-to-release-bike-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-6039</link>
		<dc:creator>B!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what else can be done beyond writing letters to the planning department, commissions, BAC, etc., as I don&#039;t feel that will be enough to change much?  I like some of ubrayj&#039;s more visceral suggestions, here and on the follow up post, but wonder if they need to be done in a coordinated/coherent fashion to register?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what else can be done beyond writing letters to the planning department, commissions, BAC, etc., as I don&#8217;t feel that will be enough to change much?  I like some of ubrayj&#8217;s more visceral suggestions, here and on the follow up post, but wonder if they need to be done in a coordinated/coherent fashion to register?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Alossi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Alossi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this.  I emailed Jordann to make it clear that an &#039;unfeasible&#039; map is unacceptable.  We have 6,500 miles of streets made entirely for cars and are spending one billion dollars on a single HOV lane on the 405.  We need serious leadership on making Los Angeles more bike-friendly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this.  I emailed Jordann to make it clear that an &#8216;unfeasible&#8217; map is unacceptable.  We have 6,500 miles of streets made entirely for cars and are spending one billion dollars on a single HOV lane on the 405.  We need serious leadership on making Los Angeles more bike-friendly.</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/29/city-starts-to-release-bike-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-6021</link>
		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with only one thing in the above post: removing parking for bike lanes.

This is the wrong choice to make. Car travel lane removal is more likely to ensure that two things: slower car speeds (safer for everyone in an urban area) and less protest from businesses (slower car speed and parking equals better retail sales).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with only one thing in the above post: removing parking for bike lanes.</p>
<p>This is the wrong choice to make. Car travel lane removal is more likely to ensure that two things: slower car speeds (safer for everyone in an urban area) and less protest from businesses (slower car speed and parking equals better retail sales).</p>
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		<title>By: minibikebar</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/29/city-starts-to-release-bike-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-6019</link>
		<dc:creator>minibikebar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bold plan, I hope they implement it.
But this is my thing… I want my space (bike lanes)
Peds get their sidewalks
Cars get their roads
Bikes should get their bike lanes.

I’m tried of City Council throwing us bones.  Its all about padding themselves on the back “good job” see what we do for bikes!  Examples
Eric Garcetti:  Bike rack contest and ride to work Fridays
Tom LaBonge: I have a bike ride with ice cream during summer
Rosendahl, and NC’s: I support the “Bicycle Bill of Rights”
All the rest of council: Lip service

BFD!

The Mayor: Please no bones at all!

I want them to do something meaningful and real for bikes.  I want space on the streets for bike lanes.
I want street parking eliminated on some east/west and north/south street and I want bike lanes instead of parking.  They will probably implement the bike plan before I see City Council, Bicycle Advisory Committee and the NC’s make bold steps to really support bikes.

They will just keep throwing us bones and like good dogs we run after and bring back and ask them to throw it again.  I don’t want anymore bones…I want a steak… I want by
Bike lanes.  

I want a “motion” from city council members, BAC, NC to get rid of some street parking and put in bike lanes throughout the city.
Start writing letters to the all CC members, BAC members, and all NC’s to support bikes by eliminating SOME on street parking and putting in bike lanes.  
LAstreertsbog start a campaign to eliminate on street parking and put in bike lanes. Get some idea streets and send them to CC, planning, BAC and NC’s like I’m.  

I want my space (bike lanes)! Just like Peds have sidewalks and cars have roads.

PS good article on the DIY.  DIY I have a summer idea for you.  You know the bike lane on Sunset Blvd.  where it ends because of  City of Beverly Hills “we hate bikes” don’t want bike lanes……just extend the lane where it ends in LA City right  through the City of Beverly Hills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bold plan, I hope they implement it.<br />
But this is my thing… I want my space (bike lanes)<br />
Peds get their sidewalks<br />
Cars get their roads<br />
Bikes should get their bike lanes.</p>
<p>I’m tried of City Council throwing us bones.  Its all about padding themselves on the back “good job” see what we do for bikes!  Examples<br />
Eric Garcetti:  Bike rack contest and ride to work Fridays<br />
Tom LaBonge: I have a bike ride with ice cream during summer<br />
Rosendahl, and NC’s: I support the “Bicycle Bill of Rights”<br />
All the rest of council: Lip service</p>
<p>BFD!</p>
<p>The Mayor: Please no bones at all!</p>
<p>I want them to do something meaningful and real for bikes.  I want space on the streets for bike lanes.<br />
I want street parking eliminated on some east/west and north/south street and I want bike lanes instead of parking.  They will probably implement the bike plan before I see City Council, Bicycle Advisory Committee and the NC’s make bold steps to really support bikes.</p>
<p>They will just keep throwing us bones and like good dogs we run after and bring back and ask them to throw it again.  I don’t want anymore bones…I want a steak… I want by<br />
Bike lanes.  </p>
<p>I want a “motion” from city council members, BAC, NC to get rid of some street parking and put in bike lanes throughout the city.<br />
Start writing letters to the all CC members, BAC members, and all NC’s to support bikes by eliminating SOME on street parking and putting in bike lanes.<br />
LAstreertsbog start a campaign to eliminate on street parking and put in bike lanes. Get some idea streets and send them to CC, planning, BAC and NC’s like I’m.  </p>
<p>I want my space (bike lanes)! Just like Peds have sidewalks and cars have roads.</p>
<p>PS good article on the DIY.  DIY I have a summer idea for you.  You know the bike lane on Sunset Blvd.  where it ends because of  City of Beverly Hills “we hate bikes” don’t want bike lanes……just extend the lane where it ends in LA City right  through the City of Beverly Hills.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/29/city-starts-to-release-bike-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-6016</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an opportunity for input! If you&#039;re not happy with the DRAFT map... then comment to the planning department what you want to see on it.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s perfect, but it&#039;s certainly not the last word. I think it&#039;s important for cyclists to weigh in on what we want... but to also understand that city plans are constrained by political will... so, in my opinion, the trick is to get as much as we can in the plan... then get that implemented... then keep advocating for more and more!  The plan doesn&#039;t limit what we advocates can push for - it&#039;s just a list of pre-approved projects that the city can move forward with implementing.

If anyone was expecting bike paradise tomorrow... then I&#039;d suggest tempering your expectations.  How about rolling up your sleeves, and composing a comment letter to the City Planning Department with suggestions of what you want in the plan.  Best to ask for what you&#039;d like to see - please don&#039;t just say that the draft plan sucks and is embarrassing... without saying your opinion of what a good plan would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an opportunity for input! If you&#8217;re not happy with the DRAFT map&#8230; then comment to the planning department what you want to see on it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s perfect, but it&#8217;s certainly not the last word. I think it&#8217;s important for cyclists to weigh in on what we want&#8230; but to also understand that city plans are constrained by political will&#8230; so, in my opinion, the trick is to get as much as we can in the plan&#8230; then get that implemented&#8230; then keep advocating for more and more!  The plan doesn&#8217;t limit what we advocates can push for &#8211; it&#8217;s just a list of pre-approved projects that the city can move forward with implementing.</p>
<p>If anyone was expecting bike paradise tomorrow&#8230; then I&#8217;d suggest tempering your expectations.  How about rolling up your sleeves, and composing a comment letter to the City Planning Department with suggestions of what you want in the plan.  Best to ask for what you&#8217;d like to see &#8211; please don&#8217;t just say that the draft plan sucks and is embarrassing&#8230; without saying your opinion of what a good plan would be.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcotico</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/29/city-starts-to-release-bike-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-5992</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcotico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This map is embarrasing.  If I was forced to release a map like this by a client I would hang my head in shame.  Gail Goldberg told the city planning department to &quot;do real planning&quot; two years ago.  That means collect data, propose real solutions, and make binding specific plans that lead to real changes.  I&#039;m not sure how that has worked out, but at least its a goal.  This map is fantasy lines drawn on a map, and even then, not very well.  Why say a road should have a bike lane, but that it is &quot;infeasible&quot;.  That&#039;s just lazy.  That is eating your cake and having it too.  When I saw that designation I could just hear steam coming out of Ubrayj&#039;s head like a steam kettle.  Of all the pieces of a report the map should be the mist polished and visionary. Instead we get a GIS &quot;dump&quot;.  This is something I would print out to send to another office, not to a client, and certainly not to the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This map is embarrasing.  If I was forced to release a map like this by a client I would hang my head in shame.  Gail Goldberg told the city planning department to &#8220;do real planning&#8221; two years ago.  That means collect data, propose real solutions, and make binding specific plans that lead to real changes.  I&#8217;m not sure how that has worked out, but at least its a goal.  This map is fantasy lines drawn on a map, and even then, not very well.  Why say a road should have a bike lane, but that it is &#8220;infeasible&#8221;.  That&#8217;s just lazy.  That is eating your cake and having it too.  When I saw that designation I could just hear steam coming out of Ubrayj&#8217;s head like a steam kettle.  Of all the pieces of a report the map should be the mist polished and visionary. Instead we get a GIS &#8220;dump&#8221;.  This is something I would print out to send to another office, not to a client, and certainly not to the public.</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/29/city-starts-to-release-bike-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-5991</link>
		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will it be okay to get personal and just start attacking and calling for the replacement or removal of the people who are paid to give us this pap? We deserve better than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will it be okay to get personal and just start attacking and calling for the replacement or removal of the people who are paid to give us this pap? We deserve better than this.</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/29/city-starts-to-release-bike-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-5990</link>
		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This map sucks. North East LA doesn&#039;t even register except for the ridiculous LA River bike path. Where is Riverside Drive? Where is the Class 1 or Class 2 that belongs on San Fernando Rd? Figueroa is bypassed for ... Griffin?! Why is N. Figueroa a car-only highway, when the 110 is located a few hundred yards away? We have too many car-only facilities in NELA! Wake up!

The only direction you&#039;ll be able to get downtown is via &quot;Bike Route&quot; (hah!) coming from South LA. Not a single at-grade, Class 2 or Class 1 bike facility into downtown. Really?!

I feel like the scardy cats who made this map think that their limp wristed bureaucratic heinies are the only source of political will to see a more aggressive approach taken. If they could use their salaried time and community outreach budgets to USE THE BIKE COMMUNITY to fight for more aggressive on-street facilities (i.e. those that remove car travel lanes), then we&#039;d be able to see some real progress.

Instead, we have a bunch of house slave, Judendienstordnung, weasels that treat community input as a threat to their paycheck. We could help turn bike programs into a huge political priority, but these folks don&#039;t have the spine nor the spirit nor gumption to work with us in building a political coalition to work for better facilities, neighborhood by neighborhood (as it must necessarily be done.

Can we have a Bikeways Coordinator that can actually, you know, coordinate? Environmental Affairs, Public Works, LAPD, Planning, the Office of the Mayor ... connect! Coordinate! Pull us together as a community to get something done. This map sucks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This map sucks. North East LA doesn&#8217;t even register except for the ridiculous LA River bike path. Where is Riverside Drive? Where is the Class 1 or Class 2 that belongs on San Fernando Rd? Figueroa is bypassed for &#8230; Griffin?! Why is N. Figueroa a car-only highway, when the 110 is located a few hundred yards away? We have too many car-only facilities in NELA! Wake up!</p>
<p>The only direction you&#8217;ll be able to get downtown is via &#8220;Bike Route&#8221; (hah!) coming from South LA. Not a single at-grade, Class 2 or Class 1 bike facility into downtown. Really?!</p>
<p>I feel like the scardy cats who made this map think that their limp wristed bureaucratic heinies are the only source of political will to see a more aggressive approach taken. If they could use their salaried time and community outreach budgets to USE THE BIKE COMMUNITY to fight for more aggressive on-street facilities (i.e. those that remove car travel lanes), then we&#8217;d be able to see some real progress.</p>
<p>Instead, we have a bunch of house slave, Judendienstordnung, weasels that treat community input as a threat to their paycheck. We could help turn bike programs into a huge political priority, but these folks don&#8217;t have the spine nor the spirit nor gumption to work with us in building a political coalition to work for better facilities, neighborhood by neighborhood (as it must necessarily be done.</p>
<p>Can we have a Bikeways Coordinator that can actually, you know, coordinate? Environmental Affairs, Public Works, LAPD, Planning, the Office of the Mayor &#8230; connect! Coordinate! Pull us together as a community to get something done. This map sucks!</p>
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		<title>By: patrick pascal</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/29/city-starts-to-release-bike-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-5989</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you remove the &quot;shared, arterial, friendly, collector, local&quot; and &quot;infeasable&quot; markings (where nothing is proposed) there is very little offered that doesn&#039;t already exist.
And how about the &quot;last miles&quot; that are missing so often.  Why have a bike lane that goes all the way to the intersection of Griffith Park and Los Feliz, but doen&#039;t safely get you to the park or the river bike path just 1/2 mile away?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you remove the &#8220;shared, arterial, friendly, collector, local&#8221; and &#8220;infeasable&#8221; markings (where nothing is proposed) there is very little offered that doesn&#8217;t already exist.<br />
And how about the &#8220;last miles&#8221; that are missing so often.  Why have a bike lane that goes all the way to the intersection of Griffith Park and Los Feliz, but doen&#8217;t safely get you to the park or the river bike path just 1/2 mile away?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/29/city-starts-to-release-bike-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-5987</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree most the streets that are marked Class III in Los Angeles are not the streets that real everyday cyclists find safest and use. I more often avoid them so I have no clue why they are even marked. 

Oh and my favorite are the routes that are not routes Proposed but currently infeasable seem to be the streets that are used most by cyclist.

I live in the Valley and that map looks like it would be nice. But I have a feeling we would not see 20% of these new projects started before my 16 month old daughter gets her drivers license. 

It took what? 3 years to come up with this. Where is the Department of DIY when you need them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree most the streets that are marked Class III in Los Angeles are not the streets that real everyday cyclists find safest and use. I more often avoid them so I have no clue why they are even marked. </p>
<p>Oh and my favorite are the routes that are not routes Proposed but currently infeasable seem to be the streets that are used most by cyclist.</p>
<p>I live in the Valley and that map looks like it would be nice. But I have a feeling we would not see 20% of these new projects started before my 16 month old daughter gets her drivers license. </p>
<p>It took what? 3 years to come up with this. Where is the Department of DIY when you need them?</p>
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		<title>By: Ingrid Peterson</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/29/city-starts-to-release-bike-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-5984</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingrid Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed 4th street was marked on the map as promised, so I thanked them for including it.  4SBB - Live the Dream.

Perhaps in another 30 or 40 years?  GO L.A!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed 4th street was marked on the map as promised, so I thanked them for including it.  4SBB &#8211; Live the Dream.</p>
<p>Perhaps in another 30 or 40 years?  GO L.A!</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/29/city-starts-to-release-bike-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-5983</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking at the Central / Westside map. I guess it&#039;s a start. I guess. It sure doesn&#039;t look revolutionary, or much different from what we have now. 

I find the so-called &quot;Bicycle Routes&quot; (Class III routes) to be mostly useless. I&#039;m ignoring them on the map. This leaves the the Bicycle Lanes (Class II) and Bicycle Paths (Class I). 

Am I reading this right? Is it true that there&#039;s only one new Class I path proposed, along the Exposition train corridor? 

Also, I can only seem to located a handful of Class II lanes proposed, again mostly on or near the Exposition path, along with a couple in South Central.

I think I&#039;d trade all these lines and squiggles for one protected, Class I, two-way path stretching from some Westside beach to downtown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking at the Central / Westside map. I guess it&#8217;s a start. I guess. It sure doesn&#8217;t look revolutionary, or much different from what we have now. </p>
<p>I find the so-called &#8220;Bicycle Routes&#8221; (Class III routes) to be mostly useless. I&#8217;m ignoring them on the map. This leaves the the Bicycle Lanes (Class II) and Bicycle Paths (Class I). </p>
<p>Am I reading this right? Is it true that there&#8217;s only one new Class I path proposed, along the Exposition train corridor? </p>
<p>Also, I can only seem to located a handful of Class II lanes proposed, again mostly on or near the Exposition path, along with a couple in South Central.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;d trade all these lines and squiggles for one protected, Class I, two-way path stretching from some Westside beach to downtown.</p>
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