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	<title>Comments on: City Council Wants to Get Cyclists More Involved with Bike Planning</title>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/27/city-council-wants-to-get-cyclists-more-involved-with-bike-planning/comment-page-1/#comment-5953</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is the committee approving money allocated almost four years ago? Troubling to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is the committee approving money allocated almost four years ago? Troubling to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Umberto Brayj</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/27/city-council-wants-to-get-cyclists-more-involved-with-bike-planning/comment-page-1/#comment-5944</link>
		<dc:creator>Umberto Brayj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, things are being done in LA to build bike projects and pedestrian projects. We&#039;re about two or three orders of magnitude below the type of funding that automobile projects get. When a bike project gets $1 million; a car project will get $10 million or $100 million in combined local, county, state, and federal funds.

Fighting the money fight doesn&#039;t matter so much to me. What does matter is that we&#039;re spending profligately to make our city much less livable, less safe (on the roadways), and worse for local businesses dependent on retail foot traffic.

I&#039;m not sure what the best solution is, but we&#039;ve got to ensure that this money being splashed around willy nilly. If we have a dedicated source of money for bikes, it should be used as leverage to get even more funds to be pulled from pots of money that are going to signal timing and left turn arrows (both of which are smoke and mirrors anyway). With a solid $10 to $20 million a year towards building out the bike master plan and paying for staff time to work on these issues with the community, we&#039;ll get some facilities built quickly and appropriately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, things are being done in LA to build bike projects and pedestrian projects. We&#8217;re about two or three orders of magnitude below the type of funding that automobile projects get. When a bike project gets $1 million; a car project will get $10 million or $100 million in combined local, county, state, and federal funds.</p>
<p>Fighting the money fight doesn&#8217;t matter so much to me. What does matter is that we&#8217;re spending profligately to make our city much less livable, less safe (on the roadways), and worse for local businesses dependent on retail foot traffic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the best solution is, but we&#8217;ve got to ensure that this money being splashed around willy nilly. If we have a dedicated source of money for bikes, it should be used as leverage to get even more funds to be pulled from pots of money that are going to signal timing and left turn arrows (both of which are smoke and mirrors anyway). With a solid $10 to $20 million a year towards building out the bike master plan and paying for staff time to work on these issues with the community, we&#8217;ll get some facilities built quickly and appropriately.</p>
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		<title>By: Umberto Brayj</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/27/city-council-wants-to-get-cyclists-more-involved-with-bike-planning/comment-page-1/#comment-5943</link>
		<dc:creator>Umberto Brayj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so along with this un-collected slice of gas tax (which in the budget goes not to the special funds listed in this report, but to something called the &quot;Capital Improvement Expenditure Plan&quot;) there is also money from the following funds that are set aside specifically for bicycle and pedestrian projects (all values are approximate):

PROPOSITION C ANTI-GRIDLOCK TRANSIT IMPROVEMENT FUND
Total Value of Fund: $83,000,000
Total amount to bikes from this fund:
   Bicycle Programs         $30,000 
   Bicycle Path Maintenance $500,000                  
   School Bike and Transit Education $250,000

MOBILE SOURCE AIR POLLUTION REDUCTION TRUST FUND
Total Value of Fund: $5,400,000
Total amount to bikes from this fund:
   Bicycle Patrol Program (Various Depts) $100,000              

TRAFFIC SAFETY FUND
Total Value of Fund: $16,000,000
Total amount to bikes from this fund: $0

LOCAL TRANSPORTATION FUND
Total Value of Fund: $4,600,000
Total amount to bikes from this fund: ???

The City also receives money from the federal government and state government for specific programs. For example, the Environmental Affairs Department received around $2,250,000 in 2007-2008 for &quot;Alternative Fuel Vehicles&quot;.

The Department of Transportation and a few other departments cleared a couple of million every year for smattering of various bike and pedestrian projects from these funding sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so along with this un-collected slice of gas tax (which in the budget goes not to the special funds listed in this report, but to something called the &#8220;Capital Improvement Expenditure Plan&#8221;) there is also money from the following funds that are set aside specifically for bicycle and pedestrian projects (all values are approximate):</p>
<p>PROPOSITION C ANTI-GRIDLOCK TRANSIT IMPROVEMENT FUND<br />
Total Value of Fund: $83,000,000<br />
Total amount to bikes from this fund:<br />
   Bicycle Programs         $30,000<br />
   Bicycle Path Maintenance $500,000<br />
   School Bike and Transit Education $250,000</p>
<p>MOBILE SOURCE AIR POLLUTION REDUCTION TRUST FUND<br />
Total Value of Fund: $5,400,000<br />
Total amount to bikes from this fund:<br />
   Bicycle Patrol Program (Various Depts) $100,000              </p>
<p>TRAFFIC SAFETY FUND<br />
Total Value of Fund: $16,000,000<br />
Total amount to bikes from this fund: $0</p>
<p>LOCAL TRANSPORTATION FUND<br />
Total Value of Fund: $4,600,000<br />
Total amount to bikes from this fund: ???</p>
<p>The City also receives money from the federal government and state government for specific programs. For example, the Environmental Affairs Department received around $2,250,000 in 2007-2008 for &#8220;Alternative Fuel Vehicles&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Department of Transportation and a few other departments cleared a couple of million every year for smattering of various bike and pedestrian projects from these funding sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Umberto Brayj</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/27/city-council-wants-to-get-cyclists-more-involved-with-bike-planning/comment-page-1/#comment-5941</link>
		<dc:creator>Umberto Brayj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 06:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick summary of report (byzantine? hah! I&#039;ve seen worse!):

A small slice of state-collected gasoline tax (&quot;TDA 3 Funds&quot;) is supposed to go to &quot;local jurisdictions&quot; based on their population. In Los Angeles County, the MTA gets this gas tax money and holds onto it for a couple of years before releasing it to a City (like LA).

This is a bunch o&#039; mumbo jumbo to instruct the City Council to make the necesary motions to get this already-collected money from the MTA and dump it into accounts the City of LA controls that go to fund previously approved bike projects.

A big chunk of the report is dedicated to repeatedly mentioning where the TDA 3 funds come from and what they are supposed to go to. Snore.

A slightly more detailed description of some of the listed projects which is available on pages 10 and 11 of the pdf file.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick summary of report (byzantine? hah! I&#8217;ve seen worse!):</p>
<p>A small slice of state-collected gasoline tax (&#8220;TDA 3 Funds&#8221;) is supposed to go to &#8220;local jurisdictions&#8221; based on their population. In Los Angeles County, the MTA gets this gas tax money and holds onto it for a couple of years before releasing it to a City (like LA).</p>
<p>This is a bunch o&#8217; mumbo jumbo to instruct the City Council to make the necesary motions to get this already-collected money from the MTA and dump it into accounts the City of LA controls that go to fund previously approved bike projects.</p>
<p>A big chunk of the report is dedicated to repeatedly mentioning where the TDA 3 funds come from and what they are supposed to go to. Snore.</p>
<p>A slightly more detailed description of some of the listed projects which is available on pages 10 and 11 of the pdf file.</p>
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		<title>By: bikinginla</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/27/city-council-wants-to-get-cyclists-more-involved-with-bike-planning/comment-page-1/#comment-5937</link>
		<dc:creator>bikinginla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly why cyclists from every niche in the riding community need to get more involved in the political process. When we flex our muscle, we can be as powerful as any of the special interests City Hall usually kowtows to. 

Clearly, Rosendahl gets it, and is rapidly becoming my favorite council member — although some of the others on the Transpo Committee are giving him a run for his money.

On the other hand, may I politely ask who the hell LADOT thinks they&#039;re serving?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly why cyclists from every niche in the riding community need to get more involved in the political process. When we flex our muscle, we can be as powerful as any of the special interests City Hall usually kowtows to. </p>
<p>Clearly, Rosendahl gets it, and is rapidly becoming my favorite council member — although some of the others on the Transpo Committee are giving him a run for his money.</p>
<p>On the other hand, may I politely ask who the hell LADOT thinks they&#8217;re serving?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/27/city-council-wants-to-get-cyclists-more-involved-with-bike-planning/comment-page-1/#comment-5936</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 02:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I&#039;m both amazed that things are so byzantine, impressed by Mr. Rosendahl&#039;s perspicacity, and appalled at how difficult bicycle planning can get in this county. Speaking of County, I notice that as a Redondo resident, I don&#039;t really have a demonstrable stake in the LADOT&#039;s activities, but is there a county equivalent to the LADOT bicycle plan?

Love this blog, by the way. It&#039;s slowly but inexorably politicizing this weekend rider toward transit issue activism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I&#8217;m both amazed that things are so byzantine, impressed by Mr. Rosendahl&#8217;s perspicacity, and appalled at how difficult bicycle planning can get in this county. Speaking of County, I notice that as a Redondo resident, I don&#8217;t really have a demonstrable stake in the LADOT&#8217;s activities, but is there a county equivalent to the LADOT bicycle plan?</p>
<p>Love this blog, by the way. It&#8217;s slowly but inexorably politicizing this weekend rider toward transit issue activism.</p>
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