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	<title>Comments on: LADOT Proposes Eliminating Its Bikeways Department</title>
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		<title>By: Umberto Brayj</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/18/ladot-proposes-eliminating-its-bikeways-department/comment-page-1/#comment-5851</link>
		<dc:creator>Umberto Brayj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 08:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, I ran into an &quot;Annual Report&quot; from the LADOT during Gloria Jeff&#039;s brief and terrible tenure as DOT head, and the bikeways section&#039;s annual activity is laughable.

You can check it out (from 2006-2007)
http://www.ladot.lacity.org/pdf/PDF8.pdf

&quot;8 miles of bike lanes&quot; ... ooh wow.
&quot;Partcipated in Bike to Work Day&quot;

Nothing in there about how many fatalities and injuries their plans prevented, is there? No air quality reduction goals met or missed? These clowns aren&#039;t answerable to anyone, it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, I ran into an "Annual Report" from the LADOT during Gloria Jeff's brief and terrible tenure as DOT head, and the bikeways section's annual activity is laughable.</p>
<p>You can check it out (from 2006-2007)<br />
<a href="http://www.ladot.lacity.org/pdf/PDF8.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ladot.lacity.org/pdf/PDF8.pdf</a></p>
<p>"8 miles of bike lanes" ... ooh wow.<br />
"Partcipated in Bike to Work Day"</p>
<p>Nothing in there about how many fatalities and injuries their plans prevented, is there? No air quality reduction goals met or missed? These clowns aren't answerable to anyone, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: SoapBoxLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoapBoxLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>False alarm. This document was an exercise in responding to a 10% cut directive. Bikeways and Safe Routes to School positions are Prop C positions and to cut them would mean that LADOT would be sending money back to the State. 

Any savings realized from this exercise would not impact the City&#039;s General fund.

I spoke to Rita Robinson yesterday. I spoke to the Mayor&#039;s office yesterday. 

These are crazy times at City Hall and for everybody in the City of LA.

At the same time, perhaps this is a good time to ask LADOT Bikeways &quot;What have you done for me lately?&quot;

Bikeways improvements, Bike Racks, Bike Plan, Bikeways Dept. Priorities.

I asked in January for a list of last years accomplishments, of LA&#039;s Bikeways assets and of the goals for this year. Crickets chirped. 

If we&#039;re gonna partner with a department, surely we should know their goals and their accomplishments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>False alarm. This document was an exercise in responding to a 10% cut directive. Bikeways and Safe Routes to School positions are Prop C positions and to cut them would mean that LADOT would be sending money back to the State. </p>
<p>Any savings realized from this exercise would not impact the City's General fund.</p>
<p>I spoke to Rita Robinson yesterday. I spoke to the Mayor's office yesterday. </p>
<p>These are crazy times at City Hall and for everybody in the City of LA.</p>
<p>At the same time, perhaps this is a good time to ask LADOT Bikeways "What have you done for me lately?"</p>
<p>Bikeways improvements, Bike Racks, Bike Plan, Bikeways Dept. Priorities.</p>
<p>I asked in January for a list of last years accomplishments, of LA's Bikeways assets and of the goals for this year. Crickets chirped. </p>
<p>If we're gonna partner with a department, surely we should know their goals and their accomplishments!</p>
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		<title>By: Umberto Brayj</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/18/ladot-proposes-eliminating-its-bikeways-department/comment-page-1/#comment-5833</link>
		<dc:creator>Umberto Brayj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we could do more as well by producing a bicycle project budget plan to the city. The Bikeways division at the LADOT is funded through a variety of sources, and the same thing goes for the Bikeways people in the Department of Public Works&#039; Bureau of Street Services.

If anyone in City Hall would like to sit down with us (or even just me), I&#039;d be glad to help them figure out what special funds to pull from to preserve a project budget for bicycles in LA.

What we need is the mayor to become a champion for our cause in city hall. In New York, they&#039;ve got the mayor and their DOT head Jannette Sadik-Kahn. In Chicago, they&#039;ve got Mayor Daly and his chief of staff.

If we do a ride, I would recommend that we find a way to make this a political priority for the mayor. That is my opinion (though I&#039;m willing to change it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we could do more as well by producing a bicycle project budget plan to the city. The Bikeways division at the LADOT is funded through a variety of sources, and the same thing goes for the Bikeways people in the Department of Public Works' Bureau of Street Services.</p>
<p>If anyone in City Hall would like to sit down with us (or even just me), I'd be glad to help them figure out what special funds to pull from to preserve a project budget for bicycles in LA.</p>
<p>What we need is the mayor to become a champion for our cause in city hall. In New York, they've got the mayor and their DOT head Jannette Sadik-Kahn. In Chicago, they've got Mayor Daly and his chief of staff.</p>
<p>If we do a ride, I would recommend that we find a way to make this a political priority for the mayor. That is my opinion (though I'm willing to change it).</p>
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		<title>By: Chapulin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chapulin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 05:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fellow Cyclistas,
I just started to pay attention (since last June) to all the bike activism we have in the city and the lack of respect we have received from city agencies and politicians.  We have participated in events, summits, rides and memorials and I have met some wonderful, intelligent, brilliant, and bike passionate people from all parts of the city.

Enough lip service from city bureaucrats!  They have just been stringing everyone along.  There have been no significant changes!  Missing money and delayed plans with no results.  We have played by their rules – with ZERO results.

WE ARE STRONG – They have not stopped the rides, organizing, and blogs.  
Let’s show our strength in the streets.  We have seen the Million Man March in 1995, we seen hands across America in 1986, we seen the massive May Day rally in 2006.

Now it’s our time to draw attention!  
Lets ride, safely in numbers.  Let’s take critical mass into a new level for the WORLD to witness!  
Let’s plan and execute – who’s in!  No contaban con mi astucia!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fellow Cyclistas,<br />
I just started to pay attention (since last June) to all the bike activism we have in the city and the lack of respect we have received from city agencies and politicians.  We have participated in events, summits, rides and memorials and I have met some wonderful, intelligent, brilliant, and bike passionate people from all parts of the city.</p>
<p>Enough lip service from city bureaucrats!  They have just been stringing everyone along.  There have been no significant changes!  Missing money and delayed plans with no results.  We have played by their rules – with ZERO results.</p>
<p>WE ARE STRONG – They have not stopped the rides, organizing, and blogs.<br />
Let’s show our strength in the streets.  We have seen the Million Man March in 1995, we seen hands across America in 1986, we seen the massive May Day rally in 2006.</p>
<p>Now it’s our time to draw attention!<br />
Lets ride, safely in numbers.  Let’s take critical mass into a new level for the WORLD to witness!<br />
Let’s plan and execute – who’s in!  No contaban con mi astucia!</p>
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		<title>By: Velocipedus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Velocipedus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 04:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dominant car culture, ... cycling is just so marginal, ... this is Los Angeles. Prejudices confirmed, ... entire department closed. Discontinued. 

Else, let us make Transportation Demand Management (TDM) the center of DOT, a management of resources, and let them devise strategies how to get people out of cars. They run already a few big bus companies.
Let them put their parking spaces on the free market, but not without a commitment to TDM. The council would set goals of de-motorisation (x % of all trips under x miles not by car etc) and DOT would have a decent mission to accomplish. Put the green party out of work and get on with it. Of course Public Health would suddenly find entirely new ways to work with cycling folks of LADOT. 
Then the bicycle work could really fly. DOT mission would include bike encouragement, it would include bike education, and it would commit the city to recognize and advertise the limits of car use. Metro would follow suite and their Call for Projects would no longer ban bike encouragement and education, excluded as &quot;Marketing&quot;. And each mile cycled could suddenly count towards the carbon reductions required by SB 375. 
Who cares for the bikeways section if we can go for the big prize! Can we?

&quot;...has dedicated himself to developing viable and convenient alternatives to driving... &quot; This is Mayor Villaraigosa in the 2009 DOT Transportation Profile, the very first sentence, no less. The words are on the page. Something to work with, at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dominant car culture, ... cycling is just so marginal, ... this is Los Angeles. Prejudices confirmed, ... entire department closed. Discontinued. </p>
<p>Else, let us make Transportation Demand Management (TDM) the center of DOT, a management of resources, and let them devise strategies how to get people out of cars. They run already a few big bus companies.<br />
Let them put their parking spaces on the free market, but not without a commitment to TDM. The council would set goals of de-motorisation (x % of all trips under x miles not by car etc) and DOT would have a decent mission to accomplish. Put the green party out of work and get on with it. Of course Public Health would suddenly find entirely new ways to work with cycling folks of LADOT.<br />
Then the bicycle work could really fly. DOT mission would include bike encouragement, it would include bike education, and it would commit the city to recognize and advertise the limits of car use. Metro would follow suite and their Call for Projects would no longer ban bike encouragement and education, excluded as "Marketing". And each mile cycled could suddenly count towards the carbon reductions required by SB 375.<br />
Who cares for the bikeways section if we can go for the big prize! Can we?</p>
<p>"...has dedicated himself to developing viable and convenient alternatives to driving... " This is Mayor Villaraigosa in the 2009 DOT Transportation Profile, the very first sentence, no less. The words are on the page. Something to work with, at least.</p>
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		<title>By: bikinginla</title>
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		<dc:creator>bikinginla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 04:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roadblock, I couldn&#039;t agree more. We should take anything we can get, anyway we can get it. Class 1, 2 or — legitimate — 3, sharrows, bike boulevards, whatever. Like you, I ride any and all of the above, often on the same ride.

As for LADOT, I really couldn&#039;t care less if the Bikeways department lives or dies, as long as it doesn&#039;t mean the end of bicycle projects and planning in Los Angeles. It&#039;s not like they were actually doing anything. If we can arrange an alternative, as Ubrayj suggests, let it die. If not, let&#039;s fight to turn it into something worthwhile, even if that means the existing staff has got to go — starting with the jackass who suggested cutting the damn thing to begin with.

And there are sharrows in L.A., on the UCLA campus. To the best of my knowledge, no cyclist has ever been injured and sued the university because they made the sharrows with the wrong kind of paint, despite Mowery&#039;s concerns to the contrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roadblock, I couldn't agree more. We should take anything we can get, anyway we can get it. Class 1, 2 or — legitimate — 3, sharrows, bike boulevards, whatever. Like you, I ride any and all of the above, often on the same ride.</p>
<p>As for LADOT, I really couldn't care less if the Bikeways department lives or dies, as long as it doesn't mean the end of bicycle projects and planning in Los Angeles. It's not like they were actually doing anything. If we can arrange an alternative, as Ubrayj suggests, let it die. If not, let's fight to turn it into something worthwhile, even if that means the existing staff has got to go — starting with the jackass who suggested cutting the damn thing to begin with.</p>
<p>And there are sharrows in L.A., on the UCLA campus. To the best of my knowledge, no cyclist has ever been injured and sued the university because they made the sharrows with the wrong kind of paint, despite Mowery's concerns to the contrary.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/18/ladot-proposes-eliminating-its-bikeways-department/comment-page-1/#comment-5826</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a way to bring all those working towards a more livable LA in on this somehow? While I can&#039;t even begin to think of anything reasonable to say about a transportation dept in a major city like LA even contemplating eliminating their bicycling dept (DD-64? Complete Streets? Common Sense? Safety? Innovation? Reduction in Greenhouse Gases? Quality of Life? Leadership?) It was inspiring to read this in LA Magazine just now:

&quot;Here in L.A. we need solutions that go beyond the zero-sum game of wider streets, synchronized lights, and left-turn signals. Let’s create projects that allow the city to be knitted together in a new and novel way.&quot;
by  Aaron Paley, President » Community Arts Resources
http://www.lamag.com/article.aspx?id=15654

There&#039;s got to be a way to have our communities reflective and inclusive of us all and our happiness and safety - our old school leaders just aren&#039;t the ones to guide us there - we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a way to bring all those working towards a more livable LA in on this somehow? While I can't even begin to think of anything reasonable to say about a transportation dept in a major city like LA even contemplating eliminating their bicycling dept (DD-64? Complete Streets? Common Sense? Safety? Innovation? Reduction in Greenhouse Gases? Quality of Life? Leadership?) It was inspiring to read this in LA Magazine just now:</p>
<p>"Here in L.A. we need solutions that go beyond the zero-sum game of wider streets, synchronized lights, and left-turn signals. Let’s create projects that allow the city to be knitted together in a new and novel way."<br />
by  Aaron Paley, President » Community Arts Resources<br />
<a href="http://www.lamag.com/article.aspx?id=15654" rel="nofollow">http://www.lamag.com/article.aspx?id=15654</a></p>
<p>There's got to be a way to have our communities reflective and inclusive of us all and our happiness and safety - our old school leaders just aren't the ones to guide us there - we are.</p>
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		<title>By: roadblock</title>
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		<dc:creator>roadblock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s so frustrating to hear about our own fractious opinions on bicycle infrastructure as well.... some people advocate for bike lanes, bike paths, and others advocate against them. I have my own strongly held opinion and find myself completely frustrated... all I can say is RIDE IN THE NETHERLANDS and see that it ALL works. bike paths, bike lanes, sharrows, isolated bikeways.... there are applications for them ALL and we just need anything and everything we can get. I love the orangeline bike path just as much as I love the sunset bike lane just as much as I love guerilla sharrows (sorry dont think we have an example of sharrows in LA do we?) and I love DMV questions on bikes and I love the cyclists bill of rights... we need everything we can get....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it's so frustrating to hear about our own fractious opinions on bicycle infrastructure as well.... some people advocate for bike lanes, bike paths, and others advocate against them. I have my own strongly held opinion and find myself completely frustrated... all I can say is RIDE IN THE NETHERLANDS and see that it ALL works. bike paths, bike lanes, sharrows, isolated bikeways.... there are applications for them ALL and we just need anything and everything we can get. I love the orangeline bike path just as much as I love the sunset bike lane just as much as I love guerilla sharrows (sorry dont think we have an example of sharrows in LA do we?) and I love DMV questions on bikes and I love the cyclists bill of rights... we need everything we can get....</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LA Bureau of Street Services (within the Department of Public Works) has a small team of engineers who do bikeways engineering. The LADOT &quot;contracts&quot; with these guys for the work most of the time anyway!

The planning department should absorb the transportation planning functions of the City, and the LADOT&#039;s grant writers should work within the Planning Department - which is responsible for an over-arching vision of our city&#039;s future anyway. We have no long range transportation plans - what good is the LADOT when they&#039;ve had decades to get it right, but have instead been fighting to remove crosswalks and kill more bikes and let drivers get away with it.

Seeing Michelle Mowery in City Council the other day next to the LAPD dude, and to have her stating that bike riders run stop signs when questioned about an H3 being used as a weapon in DTLA ... I mean, why do we need this person representing us to City Hall? She&#039;s more of an impediment to progress than anything else. We need a politically savvy, empowered (by the mayor&#039;s office) advocate for bikes in LA. LADOT&#039;s paper shuffler for bikes isn&#039;t what is going to get it done.

There are a bunch of options we, as cyclists, could offer up to a City Hall that will honestly try and find a way to soothe us in the face of Bikeways being eliminated. Give us a Bureau head who is a bike-planning nut, give us a mayoral deputy who puts the funding and people together to produce transportation reform to support bikes.

Saving the Bikeways Division is a phyrric victory - we get nuthin out of the fight.

I&#039;m only sad that the other options I&#039;ve listed above would need a broader consensus among cyclists and our own paid lobbyists to be faithfully considered in City Hall and the Mayor&#039;s office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LA Bureau of Street Services (within the Department of Public Works) has a small team of engineers who do bikeways engineering. The LADOT "contracts" with these guys for the work most of the time anyway!</p>
<p>The planning department should absorb the transportation planning functions of the City, and the LADOT's grant writers should work within the Planning Department - which is responsible for an over-arching vision of our city's future anyway. We have no long range transportation plans - what good is the LADOT when they've had decades to get it right, but have instead been fighting to remove crosswalks and kill more bikes and let drivers get away with it.</p>
<p>Seeing Michelle Mowery in City Council the other day next to the LAPD dude, and to have her stating that bike riders run stop signs when questioned about an H3 being used as a weapon in DTLA ... I mean, why do we need this person representing us to City Hall? She's more of an impediment to progress than anything else. We need a politically savvy, empowered (by the mayor's office) advocate for bikes in LA. LADOT's paper shuffler for bikes isn't what is going to get it done.</p>
<p>There are a bunch of options we, as cyclists, could offer up to a City Hall that will honestly try and find a way to soothe us in the face of Bikeways being eliminated. Give us a Bureau head who is a bike-planning nut, give us a mayoral deputy who puts the funding and people together to produce transportation reform to support bikes.</p>
<p>Saving the Bikeways Division is a phyrric victory - we get nuthin out of the fight.</p>
<p>I'm only sad that the other options I've listed above would need a broader consensus among cyclists and our own paid lobbyists to be faithfully considered in City Hall and the Mayor's office.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF?? Isn&#039;t the whole idea to get people OUT of their cars?  Shouldn&#039;t all planning be towards non-reliance on automobiles to get around?  What are these people doing?  I don&#039;t see how eliminating bike projects or public transportation projects addresses any of our problems.  Not traffic and congestion, not pollution, not parking, not cost and not dependency on oil.  Are they all on crack?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF?? Isn't the whole idea to get people OUT of their cars?  Shouldn't all planning be towards non-reliance on automobiles to get around?  What are these people doing?  I don't see how eliminating bike projects or public transportation projects addresses any of our problems.  Not traffic and congestion, not pollution, not parking, not cost and not dependency on oil.  Are they all on crack?</p>
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		<title>By: roadblock</title>
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		<dc:creator>roadblock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 22:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 Gary +1 Damien

meh..... It just all seems like a lost cause. I was happy to see that people came out to talk against the cutting of funding but what&#039;s it really going to do when you have people in the LADOT and not even the bike person seems like she wants bicycle infrastucture... I think they see all the recent bike activity as a fad.. this city is just doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 Gary +1 Damien</p>
<p>meh..... It just all seems like a lost cause. I was happy to see that people came out to talk against the cutting of funding but what's it really going to do when you have people in the LADOT and not even the bike person seems like she wants bicycle infrastucture... I think they see all the recent bike activity as a fad.. this city is just doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: bikinginla</title>
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		<dc:creator>bikinginla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a strange experience. I actually agree with everyone.

I was actually reading the LACBC Action Alert when the earthquake struck last night, and I honestly don&#039;t know which experience was more stomach-churning.

Any department that can honestly claim that they can&#039;t start a sharrows project because they don&#039;t know what kind of paint to use has pretty well demonstrated their uselessness.

But Damien is right, getting rid of it would mean starting at less than zero. It would take years, if ever, before it was restarted or replaced. What we need is for someone on the council to step forward and kick some budgetary ass by threatening LADOT&#039;s entire budget unless they have a real, empowered bikeways department that can actually get things done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a strange experience. I actually agree with everyone.</p>
<p>I was actually reading the LACBC Action Alert when the earthquake struck last night, and I honestly don't know which experience was more stomach-churning.</p>
<p>Any department that can honestly claim that they can't start a sharrows project because they don't know what kind of paint to use has pretty well demonstrated their uselessness.</p>
<p>But Damien is right, getting rid of it would mean starting at less than zero. It would take years, if ever, before it was restarted or replaced. What we need is for someone on the council to step forward and kick some budgetary ass by threatening LADOT's entire budget unless they have a real, empowered bikeways department that can actually get things done.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Newton</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/18/ladot-proposes-eliminating-its-bikeways-department/comment-page-1/#comment-5820</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or let&#039;s put it this way, do you think the LADOT is proposing cutting bikeways because they want to do more bike projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or let's put it this way, do you think the LADOT is proposing cutting bikeways because they want to do more bike projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/18/ladot-proposes-eliminating-its-bikeways-department/comment-page-1/#comment-5819</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 Brayj

Given the massive incompetence of LA city govt when it comes to transportation, I think benign neglect is the best outcome we can reasonably expect.

I would welcome the elimination of the bikeways dept, personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 Brayj</p>
<p>Given the massive incompetence of LA city govt when it comes to transportation, I think benign neglect is the best outcome we can reasonably expect.</p>
<p>I would welcome the elimination of the bikeways dept, personally.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Newton</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/18/ladot-proposes-eliminating-its-bikeways-department/comment-page-1/#comment-5818</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ How Green Is My Valley

Don&#039;t worry, today is just round one of the budget battle for LADOT.  We&#039;ll have plenty of chances to weigh in at committee hearings and such

@ Angle, Ubrayj

I know I&#039;m going to take some flack for this, SoapBox I&#039;m sure will have words for this, but unless there&#039;s a plan to replace Bikeways with something at Planning, I see this as a huge setback.  Bikeways can be more than frustrating at times, but if they&#039;re gone completely all that will remain are the traffic engineers and bureaucrats.  Not a recipe to get anything done.

I write Streetsblog and do my own advocacy because I believe people and circumstances can change.  But without a Bikeways division at LADOT we&#039;re going to have a heavier lift, because if we manage to convince enough people to see things our way; we&#039;ll have to bring a division back before we can get some real planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ How Green Is My Valley</p>
<p>Don't worry, today is just round one of the budget battle for LADOT.  We'll have plenty of chances to weigh in at committee hearings and such</p>
<p>@ Angle, Ubrayj</p>
<p>I know I'm going to take some flack for this, SoapBox I'm sure will have words for this, but unless there's a plan to replace Bikeways with something at Planning, I see this as a huge setback.  Bikeways can be more than frustrating at times, but if they're gone completely all that will remain are the traffic engineers and bureaucrats.  Not a recipe to get anything done.</p>
<p>I write Streetsblog and do my own advocacy because I believe people and circumstances can change.  But without a Bikeways division at LADOT we're going to have a heavier lift, because if we manage to convince enough people to see things our way; we'll have to bring a division back before we can get some real planning.</p>
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		<title>By: angle</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/18/ladot-proposes-eliminating-its-bikeways-department/comment-page-1/#comment-5817</link>
		<dc:creator>angle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ubrayj:

Beat me to it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ubrayj:</p>
<p>Beat me to it!</p>
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		<title>By: angle</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/18/ladot-proposes-eliminating-its-bikeways-department/comment-page-1/#comment-5816</link>
		<dc:creator>angle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, the LADOT Bikeways department has been a major impediment to every single forward-looking bike-oriented project that has been proposed over the last several years. The sharrow &quot;pilot program&quot; has been indefinitely delayed, the ball was dropped on the Expo bikeway and the Bicycle Master Plan—a FUNDING DOCUMENT—is M.I.A.

There are other agencies that can fulfill the role that LADOT Bikeways is supposed to take, and if bike projects can be better integrated into general transportation projects, I think they might have a better chance of being realized. As of now, progressive bike projects are dumped into the LADOT Bikeways black hole, and the only thing that ever comes out is a litany of excuses why they can never be accomplished.

It&#039;s possible that the loss of the LADOT Bikeways department could ultimately be a positive thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, the LADOT Bikeways department has been a major impediment to every single forward-looking bike-oriented project that has been proposed over the last several years. The sharrow "pilot program" has been indefinitely delayed, the ball was dropped on the Expo bikeway and the Bicycle Master Plan—a FUNDING DOCUMENT—is M.I.A.</p>
<p>There are other agencies that can fulfill the role that LADOT Bikeways is supposed to take, and if bike projects can be better integrated into general transportation projects, I think they might have a better chance of being realized. As of now, progressive bike projects are dumped into the LADOT Bikeways black hole, and the only thing that ever comes out is a litany of excuses why they can never be accomplished.</p>
<p>It's possible that the loss of the LADOT Bikeways department could ultimately be a positive thing.</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/18/ladot-proposes-eliminating-its-bikeways-department/comment-page-1/#comment-5815</link>
		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1) A common tactic for large bureaucracies, when faced with budget cuts, is to push forward cuts to popular programs or pet projects of politicians in order to scare away those coming at the bureaucracy with knives and hatchets. The LADOT boss, Rita Robinson, is ultimately answerable to the mayor - and he can pick and choose budget cuts in her department. He&#039;ll likely go with what her adminstrative people recommend, but if a program is popular you can bet it won&#039;t get cut.

(2) Who cares if the LADOT bikeways people get canned? Why does the LADOT even exist except to baffle local interests and build car-only facilities? This planning function belongs in the planning department. The engineering function belongs in the Public Works Department (which already has a bikeways design section). Cut the fat! Give us planners who will see that concerns other than high-speed auto travel are worth considering.

(3) What have we gotten out of the LADOT&#039;s bikeways division anyway? $450,000 vapor trail of a bike plan? More dead cyclists and no regime of safety measurement citywide? More dead pedestrians? Oh, and the City will stop pursuing Safe Routes to School money! Oh no! But wait, the LADOT misses tens of millions in Safe Routes to School funding opportunities every year! This department fought long and hard to prevent traffic calming around elementary schools in the Valley! Fire them all and  let us all say &quot;Good riddance!&quot; Our elected officials will have one less pasty bureacrat to hide behind when we come a knocking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) A common tactic for large bureaucracies, when faced with budget cuts, is to push forward cuts to popular programs or pet projects of politicians in order to scare away those coming at the bureaucracy with knives and hatchets. The LADOT boss, Rita Robinson, is ultimately answerable to the mayor - and he can pick and choose budget cuts in her department. He'll likely go with what her adminstrative people recommend, but if a program is popular you can bet it won't get cut.</p>
<p>(2) Who cares if the LADOT bikeways people get canned? Why does the LADOT even exist except to baffle local interests and build car-only facilities? This planning function belongs in the planning department. The engineering function belongs in the Public Works Department (which already has a bikeways design section). Cut the fat! Give us planners who will see that concerns other than high-speed auto travel are worth considering.</p>
<p>(3) What have we gotten out of the LADOT's bikeways division anyway? $450,000 vapor trail of a bike plan? More dead cyclists and no regime of safety measurement citywide? More dead pedestrians? Oh, and the City will stop pursuing Safe Routes to School money! Oh no! But wait, the LADOT misses tens of millions in Safe Routes to School funding opportunities every year! This department fought long and hard to prevent traffic calming around elementary schools in the Valley! Fire them all and  let us all say "Good riddance!" Our elected officials will have one less pasty bureacrat to hide behind when we come a knocking.</p>
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		<title>By: dudeonabike</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/18/ladot-proposes-eliminating-its-bikeways-department/comment-page-1/#comment-5814</link>
		<dc:creator>dudeonabike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strumpell did say it well.  It&#039;s painful to read a blanket pronouncement from our transportation officials like: &quot;Discontinue work on Safe Routes to Schools.&quot;  Displays total lack of foresight.  It would seem that by showing and encouraging school-aged kids that one CAN get to school by means other than cars (or even buses) would do so much to promote livable streets, healthy lifestyles, vibrant communities, etc.  Sad, sad, report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strumpell did say it well.  It's painful to read a blanket pronouncement from our transportation officials like: "Discontinue work on Safe Routes to Schools."  Displays total lack of foresight.  It would seem that by showing and encouraging school-aged kids that one CAN get to school by means other than cars (or even buses) would do so much to promote livable streets, healthy lifestyles, vibrant communities, etc.  Sad, sad, report.</p>
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		<title>By: Ingrid Peterson</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/18/ladot-proposes-eliminating-its-bikeways-department/comment-page-1/#comment-5812</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingrid Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 19:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Gary said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Gary said.</p>
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