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	<title>Comments on: Governor Finds a New Way to Rob Transit Even More</title>
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		<title>By: Clutch J</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/15/governor-finds-a-new-way-to-rob-transit-even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-5956</link>
		<dc:creator>Clutch J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 19:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;go-along-to-get-along politics of public transportation advocates&quot; comment was not at all unwarrented.

Transit advocates were integral participants in the raid on general funds resulting in the Transportaton Congestion Relief Program and its successor Proposition 42.  The transit lobby threw in with the highway lobby, abandoning advocates for walking, bicycling and livable communities.  The end result has been that transit advocates cooperated with the road construction lobby to take money away from general fund programs that provide food, housing or medical assistance to California&#039;s poorest, most vulnerable residents and divert the money to transportation programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;go-along-to-get-along politics of public transportation advocates&#8221; comment was not at all unwarrented.</p>
<p>Transit advocates were integral participants in the raid on general funds resulting in the Transportaton Congestion Relief Program and its successor Proposition 42.  The transit lobby threw in with the highway lobby, abandoning advocates for walking, bicycling and livable communities.  The end result has been that transit advocates cooperated with the road construction lobby to take money away from general fund programs that provide food, housing or medical assistance to California&#8217;s poorest, most vulnerable residents and divert the money to transportation programs.</p>
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		<title>By: cph</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/15/governor-finds-a-new-way-to-rob-transit-even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-5899</link>
		<dc:creator>cph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 05:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, remember Proposition 96 (I think that was the number) about a year or so ago? It might have protected at least some of our transportation funding. But no one, except SO.CA.TA, lifted a finger to promote it. Where was the California Transit Association? Where was the Sierra Club? Where was even our illustrious BRU?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, remember Proposition 96 (I think that was the number) about a year or so ago? It might have protected at least some of our transportation funding. But no one, except SO.CA.TA, lifted a finger to promote it. Where was the California Transit Association? Where was the Sierra Club? Where was even our illustrious BRU?</p>
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		<title>By: cph</title>
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		<dc:creator>cph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 05:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you see the results of the vote on May 19? No one wants to pay any more taxes for anything. With attitudes like that out there, it doesn&#039;t matter who&#039;s in the Governor&#039;s seat....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see the results of the vote on May 19? No one wants to pay any more taxes for anything. With attitudes like that out there, it doesn&#8217;t matter who&#8217;s in the Governor&#8217;s seat&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: David "Buster" Fitzpatrick</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/15/governor-finds-a-new-way-to-rob-transit-even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-5827</link>
		<dc:creator>David "Buster" Fitzpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re living at a time when the automobile/suburban spawl version oh the American Dream is becoming not only unfasionable but also downright unsustainable. Also I should point out there are an increasing number of us that can no longer drive for various political, economic, and personal reasons. We should get rid of the &quot;governator&quot; for trying to destroy public transit funding at a time when they&#039;re most needed. It also bugs me too that he keeps trying to deny funding to such public services as schools, public libraries, fire departments, etc.. I think they should first force him to sell off that goddamned Hummer and also make ride the RT Metro,Amtrak, and perhaps one of the commuter train lines on a regular basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re living at a time when the automobile/suburban spawl version oh the American Dream is becoming not only unfasionable but also downright unsustainable. Also I should point out there are an increasing number of us that can no longer drive for various political, economic, and personal reasons. We should get rid of the &#8220;governator&#8221; for trying to destroy public transit funding at a time when they&#8217;re most needed. It also bugs me too that he keeps trying to deny funding to such public services as schools, public libraries, fire departments, etc.. I think they should first force him to sell off that goddamned Hummer and also make ride the RT Metro,Amtrak, and perhaps one of the commuter train lines on a regular basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Kymberleigh Richards</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/15/governor-finds-a-new-way-to-rob-transit-even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-5804</link>
		<dc:creator>Kymberleigh Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ubrayj, let me reframe &quot;our side&quot; of the debate.

We aren&#039;t just complaining about &quot;car projects&quot;.  In fact, there is still money coming through for transit infrastructure projects.  The problem is that the operating subsidies are becoming non-existent, and there is little point to building a new rail line (as an example) if you don&#039;t have the money to operate it once completed.

In fact, in order to get federal funds for any new transit capital project, you have to prove you will have the money to run it.  How the f*** are we going to do that with the state cutting the STA for an indeterminate period?  

I should also point out that &quot;car projects&quot; do have the potential for transit improvements.  Roads are the &quot;tracks&quot; for any bus-based service.  For example, adding the northbound carpool lanes on the 405 between the 10 and 101 will allow a project that Metro has on the drawing board to be implemented ... a non-stop express bus between the Van Nuys Orange Line station and Westwood.

Effective advocacy requires looking at the big picture, not just &quot;things I care about and can actually do something to fix&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ubrayj, let me reframe &#8220;our side&#8221; of the debate.</p>
<p>We aren&#8217;t just complaining about &#8220;car projects&#8221;.  In fact, there is still money coming through for transit infrastructure projects.  The problem is that the operating subsidies are becoming non-existent, and there is little point to building a new rail line (as an example) if you don&#8217;t have the money to operate it once completed.</p>
<p>In fact, in order to get federal funds for any new transit capital project, you have to prove you will have the money to run it.  How the f*** are we going to do that with the state cutting the STA for an indeterminate period?  </p>
<p>I should also point out that &#8220;car projects&#8221; do have the potential for transit improvements.  Roads are the &#8220;tracks&#8221; for any bus-based service.  For example, adding the northbound carpool lanes on the 405 between the 10 and 101 will allow a project that Metro has on the drawing board to be implemented &#8230; a non-stop express bus between the Van Nuys Orange Line station and Westwood.</p>
<p>Effective advocacy requires looking at the big picture, not just &#8220;things I care about and can actually do something to fix&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: calwatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>calwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 21:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, there needs to be a dedicated TAX on something, like gasoline, that goes into public transportation - a 3-5% excise tax on fuel, which would scale up in times of high gas prices like last summer so that transit agencies could quickly ramp up service, pay overtime, etc. for the increased demand. The problem is that Californians expect high services but low taxes. Due to poor fiscal management in the past, we&#039;re paying for all of that, and then some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, there needs to be a dedicated TAX on something, like gasoline, that goes into public transportation &#8211; a 3-5% excise tax on fuel, which would scale up in times of high gas prices like last summer so that transit agencies could quickly ramp up service, pay overtime, etc. for the increased demand. The problem is that Californians expect high services but low taxes. Due to poor fiscal management in the past, we&#8217;re paying for all of that, and then some.</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 18:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got me Kymberleigh, I was still busy in LA working on things I care about and can actually do something to fix.

My snide remakrs aside, I was happy to hear that the governor finally attacked corrections - the 1 million pound gorilla sitting silently in the corner until now - in his budget. Hopefully we can put an end to our state&#039;s stupid (yet popular) policies that lock up thousands of people for minor offenses and puts them on a fast track to return to prison over and over again.

Sorry about the smart ass comments re:transit advocacy but there is so much car pork in &quot;transit&quot; policy discussions that just sort of get brushed over by the &quot;serious&quot; people in the debate that it is a bit annoying to hear you guys complain when the car projects are the only tings getting saved. Time to re-frame the debate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got me Kymberleigh, I was still busy in LA working on things I care about and can actually do something to fix.</p>
<p>My snide remakrs aside, I was happy to hear that the governor finally attacked corrections &#8211; the 1 million pound gorilla sitting silently in the corner until now &#8211; in his budget. Hopefully we can put an end to our state&#8217;s stupid (yet popular) policies that lock up thousands of people for minor offenses and puts them on a fast track to return to prison over and over again.</p>
<p>Sorry about the smart ass comments re:transit advocacy but there is so much car pork in &#8220;transit&#8221; policy discussions that just sort of get brushed over by the &#8220;serious&#8221; people in the debate that it is a bit annoying to hear you guys complain when the car projects are the only tings getting saved. Time to re-frame the debate!</p>
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		<title>By: Kymberleigh Richards</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/15/governor-finds-a-new-way-to-rob-transit-even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-5795</link>
		<dc:creator>Kymberleigh Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 18:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ubrayj02:  The snide remarks are unwarranted, Umberto.

If you had been involved in the attempts by the advocacy community to stop the STA cut, you would know that we didn&#039;t &quot;go along to get along&quot;.  But you weren&#039;t in Sacramento with the rest of us, were you?  No, you were too busy with your bike shop and your blog, while still believing you know everything.

The aforementioned remark was due to your speaking from an uninformed position and I insist upon an apology for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ubrayj02:  The snide remarks are unwarranted, Umberto.</p>
<p>If you had been involved in the attempts by the advocacy community to stop the STA cut, you would know that we didn&#8217;t &#8220;go along to get along&#8221;.  But you weren&#8217;t in Sacramento with the rest of us, were you?  No, you were too busy with your bike shop and your blog, while still believing you know everything.</p>
<p>The aforementioned remark was due to your speaking from an uninformed position and I insist upon an apology for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bert Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always despised Arnold and never fell for his &quot;green governor&quot; bullshit, but keep in mind that not only is he trying to gut transit, he is trying to gut EVERYTHING that helps the people: health, education, housing, transit, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always despised Arnold and never fell for his &#8220;green governor&#8221; bullshit, but keep in mind that not only is he trying to gut transit, he is trying to gut EVERYTHING that helps the people: health, education, housing, transit, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 02:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see that the go-along-to-get-along politics of public transportation advocates has really paid off big time!

I&#039;ve got a political lens you guys can use in your future struggles for transportation funding: &quot;Car vs Everything Else&quot;. Help with that battle, and I think you&#039;ll actually see some gains. California&#039;s voting public is rapidly decanting from the suburbs into urban areas. Those left in suburbia will soon hardly show up on politicians&#039; radar - and their desire to keep highway subsidies at or above current levels won&#039;t be able to beat back your desire to move humans efficiently and lower the capital costs of transportation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see that the go-along-to-get-along politics of public transportation advocates has really paid off big time!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a political lens you guys can use in your future struggles for transportation funding: &#8220;Car vs Everything Else&#8221;. Help with that battle, and I think you&#8217;ll actually see some gains. California&#8217;s voting public is rapidly decanting from the suburbs into urban areas. Those left in suburbia will soon hardly show up on politicians&#8217; radar &#8211; and their desire to keep highway subsidies at or above current levels won&#8217;t be able to beat back your desire to move humans efficiently and lower the capital costs of transportation.</p>
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		<title>By: Kymberleigh Richards</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/15/governor-finds-a-new-way-to-rob-transit-even-more/comment-page-1/#comment-5764</link>
		<dc:creator>Kymberleigh Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CTA has made the press release available on their website, for those who want to read it in its entirety:

http://www.caltransit.org/node/808</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CTA has made the press release available on their website, for those who want to read it in its entirety:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.caltransit.org/node/808" rel="nofollow">http://www.caltransit.org/node/808</a></p>
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