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	<title>Comments on: Sharrows are coming to Los Angeles! or are they?</title>
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		<title>By: Кузьма</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/07/sharrows-are-coming-to-los-angeles-or-are-they/comment-page-1/#comment-591323</link>
		<dc:creator>Кузьма</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.dikomm.ru/montaz-krovli" rel="nofollow">http://www.dikomm.ru/montaz-krovli</a> &#8211;  Монтаж кровли   Вы можете заказать  на <a href="http://www.dikomm.ru" rel="nofollow">http://www.dikomm.ru</a>.  Мы  уже длительное время оказывает весь спектр  кровельных работ. Нам доверили 1000 крыш.  Надежность гарантируем. Позвоните нам.</p>
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		<title>By: phohyprob</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/07/sharrows-are-coming-to-los-angeles-or-are-they/comment-page-1/#comment-576211</link>
		<dc:creator>phohyprob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 13:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Сожалею, что не могу сейчас поучаствовать в обсуждении. Очень мало информации. Но с удовольствием буду следить за этой темой.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Сожалею, что не могу сейчас поучаствовать в обсуждении. Очень мало информации. Но с удовольствием буду следить за этой темой.</p>
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		<title>By: Ingrid Peterson</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/07/sharrows-are-coming-to-los-angeles-or-are-they/comment-page-1/#comment-5652</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingrid Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 18:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been there painted that is right Brayj.

Big heavy hearted sigh, wish i lived in Portland.

If you paint &#039;em, they will scrape &#039;em.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been there painted that is right Brayj.</p>
<p>Big heavy hearted sigh, wish i lived in Portland.</p>
<p>If you paint &#8216;em, they will scrape &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: Statsdude</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/07/sharrows-are-coming-to-los-angeles-or-are-they/comment-page-1/#comment-5645</link>
		<dc:creator>Statsdude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 12:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate, are you suggesting the combination bike lane/bus lane such as north bound Figueroa in Downtown L.A.? (from just north of Adams to 4th street)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate, are you suggesting the combination bike lane/bus lane such as north bound Figueroa in Downtown L.A.? (from just north of Adams to 4th street)</p>
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		<title>By: angle</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/07/sharrows-are-coming-to-los-angeles-or-are-they/comment-page-1/#comment-5642</link>
		<dc:creator>angle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 06:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, you guys are all barking up the wrong tree. We don&#039;t need to beg for teeny little stripes that wedge us into dangerous slivers of the road space. What we need are BIGGER BIKES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, you guys are all barking up the wrong tree. We don&#8217;t need to beg for teeny little stripes that wedge us into dangerous slivers of the road space. What we need are BIGGER BIKES.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Kavanagh</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/07/sharrows-are-coming-to-los-angeles-or-are-they/comment-page-1/#comment-5638</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Kavanagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 01:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharrows, some buckets of paint and stencils. Not enough money.

Repaving 3 miles of the 710 freeway with &quot;hardier&quot; concrete, only 72 million dollars, no problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharrows, some buckets of paint and stencils. Not enough money.</p>
<p>Repaving 3 miles of the 710 freeway with &#8220;hardier&#8221; concrete, only 72 million dollars, no problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/07/sharrows-are-coming-to-los-angeles-or-are-they/comment-page-1/#comment-5636</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 00:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LAA - I concede that currently we only get rid of parking to turn our streets into freeways for rush hour.  

What I really want is that whole right lane, as a full width bike lane, with big fat sharrows in it.  In lieu of the parked cars / bike lane / auto lane squeeze.  Cars could come in, but bikes would be overstatedly free to ride two abreast, etc.  Grandma and kids would have overstatedly have the right of way at super low, turtle speeds.  Cars could come in, but only very cautiously.    

That&#039;d be some kind of road diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LAA &#8211; I concede that currently we only get rid of parking to turn our streets into freeways for rush hour.  </p>
<p>What I really want is that whole right lane, as a full width bike lane, with big fat sharrows in it.  In lieu of the parked cars / bike lane / auto lane squeeze.  Cars could come in, but bikes would be overstatedly free to ride two abreast, etc.  Grandma and kids would have overstatedly have the right of way at super low, turtle speeds.  Cars could come in, but only very cautiously.    </p>
<p>That&#8217;d be some kind of road diet.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 22:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Paul and Bikinginla - I&#039;d prefer road diets and bike lanes over just sharrows. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s an either/or situation, though...  let&#039;s work on them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Paul and Bikinginla &#8211; I&#8217;d prefer road diets and bike lanes over just sharrows. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s an either/or situation, though&#8230;  let&#8217;s work on them all.</p>
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		<title>By: chriswnw</title>
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		<dc:creator>chriswnw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I much prefer sharrows to overly restrictive bike lanes that fill up with gravel and debris while also leading you into various hazards (like the door zone).  As far as promoting low-stress cycling on streets with few cars, bike boulevards are the way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I much prefer sharrows to overly restrictive bike lanes that fill up with gravel and debris while also leading you into various hazards (like the door zone).  As far as promoting low-stress cycling on streets with few cars, bike boulevards are the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: bikinginla</title>
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		<dc:creator>bikinginla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I&#039;m concerned, the primary usefulness of sharrows is to remind drivers that cyclists are entitled to both use the road and to ride within the lane, and let less experienced riders know where to position themselves within the lane. 

They should never be used as a substitute for more superior infrastructure, such as Class 1 or 2 bikeways. However, they would be useful to designate a class 3 bikeway, or indicate a route to connect two bikeways. 

And I&#039;d love to see sharrows on the Block of Death at the east end of the bike lanes on Santa Monica Boulevard, to show riders where to go once the bike lane abruptly ends — even though they&#039;d have to stop at the border of bike-unfriendly Beverly Hills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, the primary usefulness of sharrows is to remind drivers that cyclists are entitled to both use the road and to ride within the lane, and let less experienced riders know where to position themselves within the lane. </p>
<p>They should never be used as a substitute for more superior infrastructure, such as Class 1 or 2 bikeways. However, they would be useful to designate a class 3 bikeway, or indicate a route to connect two bikeways. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;d love to see sharrows on the Block of Death at the east end of the bike lanes on Santa Monica Boulevard, to show riders where to go once the bike lane abruptly ends — even though they&#8217;d have to stop at the border of bike-unfriendly Beverly Hills.</p>
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		<title>By: LAofAnaheim</title>
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		<dc:creator>LAofAnaheim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nate. You wouldn&#039;t want car parking to be removed..otherwise, then the street becomes another busy highway during the day. Walk along Wilshire when &quot;anti-gridlock&quot; zoning is in effect, compared to the middle of the day, when there is no anti-gridlock; and notice how much more pedestrian friendly the street becomes. I would feel safer riding a bike with cars parked than without.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nate. You wouldn&#8217;t want car parking to be removed..otherwise, then the street becomes another busy highway during the day. Walk along Wilshire when &#8220;anti-gridlock&#8221; zoning is in effect, compared to the middle of the day, when there is no anti-gridlock; and notice how much more pedestrian friendly the street becomes. I would feel safer riding a bike with cars parked than without.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulCJr</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulCJr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I care to differ that the sharrows will make any difference to the LA car driver. I doubt a driver can even make them out when they&#039;re driving 60mph down a 35mph street. What LA really needs is protected bike lanes and road diets. Since at this time neither of these two things I just mention would gain any traction from of our politicans, since they&#039;re always concerned with winning election rather than doing public good. I&#039;ll take the sharrows, there better than nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I care to differ that the sharrows will make any difference to the LA car driver. I doubt a driver can even make them out when they&#8217;re driving 60mph down a 35mph street. What LA really needs is protected bike lanes and road diets. Since at this time neither of these two things I just mention would gain any traction from of our politicans, since they&#8217;re always concerned with winning election rather than doing public good. I&#8217;ll take the sharrows, there better than nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/07/sharrows-are-coming-to-los-angeles-or-are-they/comment-page-1/#comment-5629</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, sharrows, currently, are only used on lanes where car parking and street width doesn&#039;t allow for wide enough bicycle lanes.  That&#039;s my current understanding of another &quot;technical&quot; restraint on using them more.

I&#039;d prefer 1) that car parking be removed more widely, and 2) that we be allowed to use sharrows much more widely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, sharrows, currently, are only used on lanes where car parking and street width doesn&#8217;t allow for wide enough bicycle lanes.  That&#8217;s my current understanding of another &#8220;technical&#8221; restraint on using them more.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d prefer 1) that car parking be removed more widely, and 2) that we be allowed to use sharrows much more widely.</p>
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		<title>By: Aurisha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aurisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 19:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Write to the Mayor and let him and his deputies know that WE WANT SHARROWS NOW!! No more delays!

Go to http://lacbc.wordpress.com/ and copy/paste the letter and email/fax it to the contacts provided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Write to the Mayor and let him and his deputies know that WE WANT SHARROWS NOW!! No more delays!</p>
<p>Go to <a href="http://lacbc.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://lacbc.wordpress.com/</a> and copy/paste the letter and email/fax it to the contacts provided.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/05/07/sharrows-are-coming-to-los-angeles-or-are-they/comment-page-1/#comment-5626</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 19:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Josef - I agree that sharrows are not the be-all end-all of bicycle facilities... definitely we could put sharrows all over LA and still have roadway design that favors cars, cars, cars and more cars.

I expect that sharrows will help some. To me, their best function is like a sign in the middle of the road that says &quot;bikes belong in the road&quot; (versus the current semiotics of LA streets that read &quot;drive all the time - cars own this place.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Josef &#8211; I agree that sharrows are not the be-all end-all of bicycle facilities&#8230; definitely we could put sharrows all over LA and still have roadway design that favors cars, cars, cars and more cars.</p>
<p>I expect that sharrows will help some. To me, their best function is like a sign in the middle of the road that says &#8220;bikes belong in the road&#8221; (versus the current semiotics of LA streets that read &#8220;drive all the time &#8211; cars own this place.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharrows are good. Being yet another tool in the street engineers kit. I hope to see some in my city (Glendale). Fingers cross, but not holding my breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharrows are good. Being yet another tool in the street engineers kit. I hope to see some in my city (Glendale). Fingers cross, but not holding my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulCJr</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulCJr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 17:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya sharrows are nice if we get nothing else, which we aren&#039;t going to get anything else. Being that the city wants to eliminate traffic calming measures out in the westside, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if drivers complain and they&#039;re removed too. When is LA going to get it. Even though I know it hurt a bunch of people that can&#039;t afford to pay more, I secretly hope for gas prices to rise again to make Angelenos feel the pain of our poor planning decisions. Because unless Angelenos feel the pain in their wallets, the city will never act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya sharrows are nice if we get nothing else, which we aren&#8217;t going to get anything else. Being that the city wants to eliminate traffic calming measures out in the westside, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if drivers complain and they&#8217;re removed too. When is LA going to get it. Even though I know it hurt a bunch of people that can&#8217;t afford to pay more, I secretly hope for gas prices to rise again to make Angelenos feel the pain of our poor planning decisions. Because unless Angelenos feel the pain in their wallets, the city will never act.</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 17:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been there, painted that - sharrows are nice, but they don&#039;t do much to calm traffic on a street designed for 50 mph car speeds (with &quot;35 mph&quot; speed signs).

Hopefully I&#039;ll have a chance to have my closed mind opened to the effectiveness of sharrows, but if they aren&#039;t coupled with more meaningful roadway design (to slow cars and reduce auto volumes) then I don&#039;t see them as being very effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been there, painted that &#8211; sharrows are nice, but they don&#8217;t do much to calm traffic on a street designed for 50 mph car speeds (with &#8220;35 mph&#8221; speed signs).</p>
<p>Hopefully I&#8217;ll have a chance to have my closed mind opened to the effectiveness of sharrows, but if they aren&#8217;t coupled with more meaningful roadway design (to slow cars and reduce auto volumes) then I don&#8217;t see them as being very effective.</p>
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