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	<title>Comments on: More Transit Expansion?: Metro Holding Meetings in South Bay</title>
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		<title>By: Justin Walker</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/04/08/more-transit-expansion-metro-holding-meetings-in-south-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-5310</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Running anything commuter train speeds down the Harbor Subdivision is a recipe for disaster.&quot;

Why would Slauson be any different from the rest of the region (and the country), which have countless grade crossings accommodating trains running in excess of 70 MPH?  Stopping at a crossing gate for a train going 30 MPH at a crossing gate for a train going 80 MPH is identical.  The only factor that dictates train speed is track geometry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Running anything commuter train speeds down the Harbor Subdivision is a recipe for disaster.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why would Slauson be any different from the rest of the region (and the country), which have countless grade crossings accommodating trains running in excess of 70 MPH?  Stopping at a crossing gate for a train going 30 MPH at a crossing gate for a train going 80 MPH is identical.  The only factor that dictates train speed is track geometry.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To branch off of what calwatch was saying, this route would have more grade separation issues to contend with than Expo, from the sheer amount of roads it crosses. However it would be great, Nimby&#039;s aside, if this could get rolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To branch off of what calwatch was saying, this route would have more grade separation issues to contend with than Expo, from the sheer amount of roads it crosses. However it would be great, Nimby&#8217;s aside, if this could get rolling.</p>
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		<title>By: calwatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>calwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 06:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you thought Expo was bad, Slauson would be worse. Here, there&#039;s a pretty legitimate issue since you have bus stops that are literally ten feet away from the tracks, residential neighborhoods within spitting distance (and not separated by two lanes of traffic), and trains running at 55-65 mph, much faster than Expo running at the speed limit. Running anything commuter train speeds down the Harbor Subdivision is a recipe for disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you thought Expo was bad, Slauson would be worse. Here, there&#8217;s a pretty legitimate issue since you have bus stops that are literally ten feet away from the tracks, residential neighborhoods within spitting distance (and not separated by two lanes of traffic), and trains running at 55-65 mph, much faster than Expo running at the speed limit. Running anything commuter train speeds down the Harbor Subdivision is a recipe for disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Wentzel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Wentzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 05:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New York commuter trains run all day long.  

Building up our commuter rail network is essential to our long term transportation future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New York commuter trains run all day long.  </p>
<p>Building up our commuter rail network is essential to our long term transportation future.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Walker</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/04/08/more-transit-expansion-metro-holding-meetings-in-south-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-5285</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think the Metrolink option is probably not the best use of this corridor. If we want the LAX link to be meaningful, this needs to be a rapid transit line that runs every 15 minutes or so, not a regional rail line that runs 4 times a day.&quot;

There is no rule that commuter trains have to run infrequently.  Look at any city with a more developed corridor, such as the Caltrain corridor.  Starting next year, even Metrolink trains will run every thirty minutes all day throughout Orange County.  

Commuter rail is what we need for this corridor because the area is already heavily served by light rail or will be soon (Green, Blue, Expo, and Crenshaw).  Commuter rail is what we need because it is by far the fastest of the possible alternatives and what our system currently lacks is a connection between the core of our rail network (Union Station) and LAX.  It should only make key stops, say at Slauson/Blue Line, Crenshaw, LAX.  Keeping service fast will also keep South Bay access into Downtown fast.  Light rail could take up to 2 hours from San Pedro, through Torrance, and into LA.  That&#039;s no good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think the Metrolink option is probably not the best use of this corridor. If we want the LAX link to be meaningful, this needs to be a rapid transit line that runs every 15 minutes or so, not a regional rail line that runs 4 times a day.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is no rule that commuter trains have to run infrequently.  Look at any city with a more developed corridor, such as the Caltrain corridor.  Starting next year, even Metrolink trains will run every thirty minutes all day throughout Orange County.  </p>
<p>Commuter rail is what we need for this corridor because the area is already heavily served by light rail or will be soon (Green, Blue, Expo, and Crenshaw).  Commuter rail is what we need because it is by far the fastest of the possible alternatives and what our system currently lacks is a connection between the core of our rail network (Union Station) and LAX.  It should only make key stops, say at Slauson/Blue Line, Crenshaw, LAX.  Keeping service fast will also keep South Bay access into Downtown fast.  Light rail could take up to 2 hours from San Pedro, through Torrance, and into LA.  That&#8217;s no good.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bert Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 02:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, bzcat, but there is also an argument to be made that transit will change low density industrial areas into busier employment centers due to the increased transportation options. It&#039;s true that this route is chosen because of the existing ROW, but there is an opportunity here to positively affect a depressed area with a stimulus in the form of transit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, bzcat, but there is also an argument to be made that transit will change low density industrial areas into busier employment centers due to the increased transportation options. It&#8217;s true that this route is chosen because of the existing ROW, but there is an opportunity here to positively affect a depressed area with a stimulus in the form of transit.</p>
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		<title>By: bzcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>bzcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Metrolink option is probably not the best use of this corridor. If we want the LAX link to be meaningful, this needs to be a rapid transit line that runs every 15 minutes or so, not a regional rail line that runs 4 times a day. However, the problem with using the corridor in its entirety for rapid transit is that it runs through some pretty gritty industrial zone south of Downtown LA and Vernon and misses some of the population/retail/commercial centers in South LA and South Bay. If we go ahead with rapid transit on this corridor, it will probably involve some detours from the right-of-way.

Ideally, I would advocate constructing this line as a light rail line starting from the Blue line Slauson station but with a new track connector added at Slauson/Blue line junction so MTA can route the trains directly from Union St (or Pasadena/Culver City/East LA) directly to LAX. I don&#039;t see that much value in having the line go through the right-of-way in Vernon since that section of town is basically all industrial with very low density and potential ridership. The western portion of the right-of-way from Inglewood to LAX will be shared with Cranshaw line (2 for the price of 1...), and once it goes past the Green line Redondo Beach station, it should merge with the potential Green line extension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Metrolink option is probably not the best use of this corridor. If we want the LAX link to be meaningful, this needs to be a rapid transit line that runs every 15 minutes or so, not a regional rail line that runs 4 times a day. However, the problem with using the corridor in its entirety for rapid transit is that it runs through some pretty gritty industrial zone south of Downtown LA and Vernon and misses some of the population/retail/commercial centers in South LA and South Bay. If we go ahead with rapid transit on this corridor, it will probably involve some detours from the right-of-way.</p>
<p>Ideally, I would advocate constructing this line as a light rail line starting from the Blue line Slauson station but with a new track connector added at Slauson/Blue line junction so MTA can route the trains directly from Union St (or Pasadena/Culver City/East LA) directly to LAX. I don&#8217;t see that much value in having the line go through the right-of-way in Vernon since that section of town is basically all industrial with very low density and potential ridership. The western portion of the right-of-way from Inglewood to LAX will be shared with Cranshaw line (2 for the price of 1&#8230;), and once it goes past the Green line Redondo Beach station, it should merge with the potential Green line extension.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Wentzel</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/04/08/more-transit-expansion-metro-holding-meetings-in-south-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-5245</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Wentzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there room on that corridor to have both light-rail (Crenshaw) and heavy-rail for freight and Metrolink purposes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there room on that corridor to have both light-rail (Crenshaw) and heavy-rail for freight and Metrolink purposes?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Wentzel</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/04/08/more-transit-expansion-metro-holding-meetings-in-south-bay/comment-page-1/#comment-5235</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Wentzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The possibility of a one seat ride from downtown to LAX is exciting indeed.  That would be great for Los Angeles&#039; economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The possibility of a one seat ride from downtown to LAX is exciting indeed.  That would be great for Los Angeles&#8217; economy.</p>
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