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	<title>Comments on: Streetsblog.net: Cyclists Need More Than Bike Lanes</title>
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	<description>Covering Los Angeles&#039;s livable streets movement</description>
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		<title>By: Ingrid Peterson</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/01/09/streetsblognet-cyclists-need-more-than-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-3764</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingrid Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just had to dig out this interesting piece Will Campbell did for the LA Times a while back - exactly on topic!

More Bike Lanes? No Thanks!
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-campbell19may19,0,6391618.story?coll=la-home-commentary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had to dig out this interesting piece Will Campbell did for the LA Times a while back &#8211; exactly on topic!</p>
<p>More Bike Lanes? No Thanks!<br />
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-campbell19may19,0,6391618.story?coll=la-home-commentary" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-campbell19may19,0,6391618.story?coll=la-home-commentary</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ingrid Peterson</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/01/09/streetsblognet-cyclists-need-more-than-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-3750</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingrid Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LEED for Streets! LEEd for Streets!

Methinks I&#039;m gonna go on Spoke(N)Art tomorrow, as should others!  
We can chant it there....

And catch Fuzz&#039;s special art show at the Bike Oven!

Thanks for taking the ----- (wait for it)---   LEED!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LEED for Streets! LEEd for Streets!</p>
<p>Methinks I&#8217;m gonna go on Spoke(N)Art tomorrow, as should others!<br />
We can chant it there&#8230;.</p>
<p>And catch Fuzz&#8217;s special art show at the Bike Oven!</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the &#8212;&#8211; (wait for it)&#8212;   LEED!</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/01/09/streetsblognet-cyclists-need-more-than-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-3748</link>
		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link Jen, I actually had a chance to read through Gehl&#039;s &quot;World Class Streets&quot; a few weeks back. Definitely worth stealing methodology from. The Parisian study I have not heard of, but will read soon enough.

Ingrid,

Thanks to you, I&#039;m going to stick with &quot;LEED for streets&quot; now. I can tell you where I thought of the idea for that the next time we meet (LABAC meeting in Feb.?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Jen, I actually had a chance to read through Gehl&#8217;s &#8220;World Class Streets&#8221; a few weeks back. Definitely worth stealing methodology from. The Parisian study I have not heard of, but will read soon enough.</p>
<p>Ingrid,</p>
<p>Thanks to you, I&#8217;m going to stick with &#8220;LEED for streets&#8221; now. I can tell you where I thought of the idea for that the next time we meet (LABAC meeting in Feb.?).</p>
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		<title>By: Ingrid Peterson</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/01/09/streetsblognet-cyclists-need-more-than-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-3741</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingrid Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LEED Certification for Roads!

YES!  A+ for Brayj!

Can you imagine engineers all competing to make the most livable street? Dutifully measuring and recording a whole host of criteria they learned in their new certificate training program...

Better metrics = better streets (or at least, the possibility for them)

If only LADOT could grasp this....

IF ONLY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LEED Certification for Roads!</p>
<p>YES!  A+ for Brayj!</p>
<p>Can you imagine engineers all competing to make the most livable street? Dutifully measuring and recording a whole host of criteria they learned in their new certificate training program&#8230;</p>
<p>Better metrics = better streets (or at least, the possibility for them)</p>
<p>If only LADOT could grasp this&#8230;.</p>
<p>IF ONLY.</p>
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		<title>By: jen petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>jen petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Umberto Brayj&#039;s comment, above:

&quot;There are pseudo-scientific measures of our roadway employed by civil engineers and traffic engineers. Reformers need their own set of measurements that can make a scientific case for alternatives to car-only roads.

&quot;I&#039;ve got a small list I keep amending, and I&#039;m sure that there are enough big brained people out there that we can get a slate of measurements slowly incorporated into the canon of transportation engineering.&quot;


...i&#039;d encourage you to check out the people-centric steets &#039;metrics&#039; developed by Gehl Architects, as highlighted in New York City DOT&#039;s report &#039;World Class Streets&#039;.  see: 
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/WCS_Gehl_08_spreads.pdf

as well, Paris Metro has been employing some really innovative social scientific research techniques as it tries to nudge its own system from a &#039;passive&#039; transportation one, to and &#039;active&#039;/dialogical mobility one.  a useful report generated within this logic can be found at:
http://www.ratp.fr/corpo/references/pdf/anglais/RATP_RA_2007_GB.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Umberto Brayj&#8217;s comment, above:</p>
<p>&#8220;There are pseudo-scientific measures of our roadway employed by civil engineers and traffic engineers. Reformers need their own set of measurements that can make a scientific case for alternatives to car-only roads.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve got a small list I keep amending, and I&#8217;m sure that there are enough big brained people out there that we can get a slate of measurements slowly incorporated into the canon of transportation engineering.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;i&#8217;d encourage you to check out the people-centric steets &#8216;metrics&#8217; developed by Gehl Architects, as highlighted in New York City DOT&#8217;s report &#8216;World Class Streets&#8217;.  see:<br />
<a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/WCS_Gehl_08_spreads.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/WCS_Gehl_08_spreads.pdf</a></p>
<p>as well, Paris Metro has been employing some really innovative social scientific research techniques as it tries to nudge its own system from a &#8216;passive&#8217; transportation one, to and &#8216;active&#8217;/dialogical mobility one.  a useful report generated within this logic can be found at:<br />
<a href="http://www.ratp.fr/corpo/references/pdf/anglais/RATP_RA_2007_GB.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ratp.fr/corpo/references/pdf/anglais/RATP_RA_2007_GB.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Umberto Brayj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Umberto Brayj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The reason cycling as transportation is not too popular in this country is that, as a policy, roads are optimized for recklessly fast automobile travel ...&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I can&#039;t remember the moment that this idea dawned on me, but I remember how it felt. I think I was fighting through an internal argument about Vehicular Cycling and my mom&#039;s stated preference for a protected bike lane.

It quickly became obvious to me that learning about how our roads are designed was very important. Once I read up on that, and found out about the ITE (Institute for Transportation Engineers) I really got a fresh persepctive on transporation planning in the U.S. and some possible ways of fixing it.

Plainly put, we need to measure (not just &quot;focus&quot;, &quot;report on&quot;, or &quot;care&quot;), actually measure, the impact that transportation plans have on people, businesses and the civic spirit in neighborhoods around a project.

There are pseudo-scientific measures of our roadway employed by civil engineers and traffic engineers. Reformers need their own set of measurements that can make a scientific case for alternatives to car-only roads.

I&#039;ve got a small list I keep amending, and I&#039;m sure that there are enough big brained people out there that we can get a slate of measurements slowly incorporated into the canon of transportation engineering.

I imagine a sort of &quot;LEED certification&quot; for roads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;The reason cycling as transportation is not too popular in this country is that, as a policy, roads are optimized for recklessly fast automobile travel &#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I can&#8217;t remember the moment that this idea dawned on me, but I remember how it felt. I think I was fighting through an internal argument about Vehicular Cycling and my mom&#8217;s stated preference for a protected bike lane.</p>
<p>It quickly became obvious to me that learning about how our roads are designed was very important. Once I read up on that, and found out about the ITE (Institute for Transportation Engineers) I really got a fresh persepctive on transporation planning in the U.S. and some possible ways of fixing it.</p>
<p>Plainly put, we need to measure (not just &#8220;focus&#8221;, &#8220;report on&#8221;, or &#8220;care&#8221;), actually measure, the impact that transportation plans have on people, businesses and the civic spirit in neighborhoods around a project.</p>
<p>There are pseudo-scientific measures of our roadway employed by civil engineers and traffic engineers. Reformers need their own set of measurements that can make a scientific case for alternatives to car-only roads.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a small list I keep amending, and I&#8217;m sure that there are enough big brained people out there that we can get a slate of measurements slowly incorporated into the canon of transportation engineering.</p>
<p>I imagine a sort of &#8220;LEED certification&#8221; for roads.</p>
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