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	<title>Comments on: Expo Delay?  CPUC Judge&#8217;s Ruling Could Push Opening to 2013</title>
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		<title>By: Gary Kavanagh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Kavanagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;well, that&#039;s because all transit advocates ARE lapdogs of the transit agencies&quot; -Linda Wei

Yeah, I ride my bike to MTA headquarters and start wagging my tail on a weekly basis so I can hold the title of transit advocate. Sarcasm. Most of us are interested in transit issues precisely because we don&#039;t like the way things are, and apply pressure toward change. 

Doesn&#039;t Damien himself profess to be a transit advocate, just one who happens to oppose nearly every transit project in the city regardless of individual merits of particular projects. He opposed the West Side Extension, not because he thinks it is a bad idea, but because he wants one for his community instead. This fails to grasp the economic reality of subways are expensive to build, and as such any subway project needs to be on the highest traffic corridors possible to get the most ridership for your dollar. Federal matching dollars don&#039;t come flowing for expensive transit projects that don&#039;t hit very high standards for ridership and commute time savings.

Communities all over America have trains and street cars running at grade, most without the numbers of accidents we have in LA even though some have even less safety precautions. Most of the problem is people walking on tracks, people committing suicide, and vehicles trying to beat the train to save a few seconds. Shouldn&#039;t we be fostering safety education of people living in or commuting through communities with trains rather then focusing  attention exclusively on keeping trains from being built. Cars kill and injure far more many people, are far less predictable, and drive everywhere in our communities, not just along fixed routes on regular schedules. We need rail development to provide alternatives to the far more dangerous automobile dependency that exists in this city, and our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;well, that&#8217;s because all transit advocates ARE lapdogs of the transit agencies&#8221; -Linda Wei</p>
<p>Yeah, I ride my bike to MTA headquarters and start wagging my tail on a weekly basis so I can hold the title of transit advocate. Sarcasm. Most of us are interested in transit issues precisely because we don&#8217;t like the way things are, and apply pressure toward change. </p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t Damien himself profess to be a transit advocate, just one who happens to oppose nearly every transit project in the city regardless of individual merits of particular projects. He opposed the West Side Extension, not because he thinks it is a bad idea, but because he wants one for his community instead. This fails to grasp the economic reality of subways are expensive to build, and as such any subway project needs to be on the highest traffic corridors possible to get the most ridership for your dollar. Federal matching dollars don&#8217;t come flowing for expensive transit projects that don&#8217;t hit very high standards for ridership and commute time savings.</p>
<p>Communities all over America have trains and street cars running at grade, most without the numbers of accidents we have in LA even though some have even less safety precautions. Most of the problem is people walking on tracks, people committing suicide, and vehicles trying to beat the train to save a few seconds. Shouldn&#8217;t we be fostering safety education of people living in or commuting through communities with trains rather then focusing  attention exclusively on keeping trains from being built. Cars kill and injure far more many people, are far less predictable, and drive everywhere in our communities, not just along fixed routes on regular schedules. We need rail development to provide alternatives to the far more dangerous automobile dependency that exists in this city, and our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Gabbard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Gabbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well then Linda I guess Mr. Goodmon is in line with the style of advocacy you prefer and your worldview. Totally your right to do so. Just as some of us have a different view. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then Linda I guess Mr. Goodmon is in line with the style of advocacy you prefer and your worldview. Totally your right to do so. Just as some of us have a different view. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Wei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Wei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, that&#039;s because all transit advocates ARE lapdogs of the transit agencies. transit advocates want transit infrastructure, so ass-kissing has to take place at one point or another in order for transit projects to be done. it&#039;s just that in this case, it looks like certain transit advocates are bending over backwards to accommodate Expo Authority.

anyways, i&#039;m sure you guys are all smarter than me. i&#039;m not here to add anything new. i&#039;m just supporting damien because i&#039;ve seen the crappy, dangerous clusterfck conditions that surround certain blue line stations and don&#039;t want the expo line to end up with the same crappy, dangerous clusterf*cks some 10-15 years in the future.

that other issue you talked about, dana, can be addressed in another post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, that&#8217;s because all transit advocates ARE lapdogs of the transit agencies. transit advocates want transit infrastructure, so ass-kissing has to take place at one point or another in order for transit projects to be done. it&#8217;s just that in this case, it looks like certain transit advocates are bending over backwards to accommodate Expo Authority.</p>
<p>anyways, i&#8217;m sure you guys are all smarter than me. i&#8217;m not here to add anything new. i&#8217;m just supporting damien because i&#8217;ve seen the crappy, dangerous clusterfck conditions that surround certain blue line stations and don&#8217;t want the expo line to end up with the same crappy, dangerous clusterf*cks some 10-15 years in the future.</p>
<p>that other issue you talked about, dana, can be addressed in another post.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Gabbard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Gabbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How quaint for Damien to declare himself the victim of character assassination when shortly after the Metrolink crash he declared all transit 
advocates not in lockstep with his alleged crusade as being lap dogs for the transit agencies. Not to mention his infamous gutter tirade in Santa Monica at a public meeting verbally abusing Rick Thorpe. Linda, is this kind of conduct to be applauded? Sorry, but some of us are not drinking Damien&#039;s Flavor Aide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How quaint for Damien to declare himself the victim of character assassination when shortly after the Metrolink crash he declared all transit<br />
advocates not in lockstep with his alleged crusade as being lap dogs for the transit agencies. Not to mention his infamous gutter tirade in Santa Monica at a public meeting verbally abusing Rick Thorpe. Linda, is this kind of conduct to be applauded? Sorry, but some of us are not drinking Damien&#8217;s Flavor Aide.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Wei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Wei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rock rock on Damien. after spending a considerable amount of time at and along various Blue Line stops thru south L.A., i applaud your effort and success so far in regards to the Expo Line Authority&#039;s safety measures -- or current lack thereof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rock rock on Damien. after spending a considerable amount of time at and along various Blue Line stops thru south L.A., i applaud your effort and success so far in regards to the Expo Line Authority&#8217;s safety measures &#8212; or current lack thereof.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Goodmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien Goodmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The full Fix Expo statement on the proposed decision is available on our website: www.FixExpo.org

The title is, &quot;Every once in a while David lands a good one on Goliath.&quot;

How unsurprised I am to see the same characters (Alan Fishel and Dana Gabbard) out in full force true to form with their personal character attacks/innuendo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The full Fix Expo statement on the proposed decision is available on our website: <a href="http://www.FixExpo.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.FixExpo.org</a></p>
<p>The title is, &#8220;Every once in a while David lands a good one on Goliath.&#8221;</p>
<p>How unsurprised I am to see the same characters (Alan Fishel and Dana Gabbard) out in full force true to form with their personal character attacks/innuendo.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,

There&#039;s a trade off to the amount of material and space those ramps need. 

For Farmdale it is easier and more cost effective to use an elevator because we would have to acquire additional space needed for the footprint of the ramps. In addition with a minimum 1:12 slope ratio and landings about every 3-5 feet in height elevation that is a lot of concrete and rebar needed to make this ramp work and there&#039;s a needed space for ADA landings at the base of each ramp that has to be put in perspective.

For the Harvard crossing, I believe since there&#039;s an existing grade separation in place (ped. tunnel that is operated by LAUSD) that there should be a compromise to modernize it for ADA compliance and allow the funds to staff it during a longer operational window since space could be made available compared to Farmdale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a trade off to the amount of material and space those ramps need. </p>
<p>For Farmdale it is easier and more cost effective to use an elevator because we would have to acquire additional space needed for the footprint of the ramps. In addition with a minimum 1:12 slope ratio and landings about every 3-5 feet in height elevation that is a lot of concrete and rebar needed to make this ramp work and there&#8217;s a needed space for ADA landings at the base of each ramp that has to be put in perspective.</p>
<p>For the Harvard crossing, I believe since there&#8217;s an existing grade separation in place (ped. tunnel that is operated by LAUSD) that there should be a compromise to modernize it for ADA compliance and allow the funds to staff it during a longer operational window since space could be made available compared to Farmdale.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Fishel</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/10/23/expo-delay-cpuc-judges-ruling-could-push-opening-to-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-2800</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Fishel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is the crossings at Farmdale and Harvard Ave’s not safe when the crossings on the soon to open East Los Angeles Gold Line directly passes 2 Elementary Schools, 1 Middle School, and 2 High Schools and within blocks of other schools. What about all of the other schools, parks, public buildings and hospitals that are adjacent to other Metro lines throughout Los Angeles, the State or even the US and around the world?  

Students are in more danger of being hit by an auto than by a LRT train. Through Damien’s actions he is costing all of us the money to build the bridges and the time lost to the opening just so he can get political recognition as a shaker in the neighborhood. If this plan comes to pass and Farmdale is closed it will be much more difficult for school busses and autos to drop off and pick up students. Being forced to navigate the bridge is something that I do not think that any of the students will look at as an improvement.   

Building a bridge for the LRT at Farmdale or Havard because Damien wants political recognition is wrong. The bridges at La Brea, La Cienega or Culver City have hundreds of thousands of cars passing daily but Firndale only has a few hundred cars pass daily and the intersection does not even warrant a traffic signal.   

The Expo Line will carry thousands of people a day that are now driving and it needs to be completed ASAP. Any delays are not appropriate or acceptable.   

If bridges have to be built which are not all that bad of an idea they can have “ramps” for ADA access and will not need elevators as with the pedestrian bridges on the Metro Blue Line and around the city. The cost will not need to be anything close to 18 million dollars. Also the EIR/EIS need not delay the lines construction since the bridges will be built separately from the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is the crossings at Farmdale and Harvard Ave’s not safe when the crossings on the soon to open East Los Angeles Gold Line directly passes 2 Elementary Schools, 1 Middle School, and 2 High Schools and within blocks of other schools. What about all of the other schools, parks, public buildings and hospitals that are adjacent to other Metro lines throughout Los Angeles, the State or even the US and around the world?  </p>
<p>Students are in more danger of being hit by an auto than by a LRT train. Through Damien’s actions he is costing all of us the money to build the bridges and the time lost to the opening just so he can get political recognition as a shaker in the neighborhood. If this plan comes to pass and Farmdale is closed it will be much more difficult for school busses and autos to drop off and pick up students. Being forced to navigate the bridge is something that I do not think that any of the students will look at as an improvement.   </p>
<p>Building a bridge for the LRT at Farmdale or Havard because Damien wants political recognition is wrong. The bridges at La Brea, La Cienega or Culver City have hundreds of thousands of cars passing daily but Firndale only has a few hundred cars pass daily and the intersection does not even warrant a traffic signal.   </p>
<p>The Expo Line will carry thousands of people a day that are now driving and it needs to be completed ASAP. Any delays are not appropriate or acceptable.   </p>
<p>If bridges have to be built which are not all that bad of an idea they can have “ramps” for ADA access and will not need elevators as with the pedestrian bridges on the Metro Blue Line and around the city. The cost will not need to be anything close to 18 million dollars. Also the EIR/EIS need not delay the lines construction since the bridges will be built separately from the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Gabbard</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/10/23/expo-delay-cpuc-judges-ruling-could-push-opening-to-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-2788</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Gabbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continuing Damien Goodmon&#039;s descent into demagoguery. Of course he isn&#039;t satsified. About now I am sure many of his NIMBY allies are asking what happened, why isn&#039;t the project dead (from what they thought would be hundreds of millions added to the cost from a mandated tunnel they championed) etc. That has always been the real goal of these alleged activists not the safety of kids etc. It is NOBLAG all over again.

There will be some politics involved in all this. The various California transit agencies have been unhappy at the growing perceived intrusive manner of that PUC (as happened with the Gold Line Phaser I and the Sprinter). You can bet pressure will be brought on the Commission since this ruling is not in line with grade crossing practice heretofore and many light rail projects across the state would be hobbled if this is the standard from now on. The transit agencies have just as much right as Damien and his crusaders to express views, etc. This is a public process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing Damien Goodmon&#8217;s descent into demagoguery. Of course he isn&#8217;t satsified. About now I am sure many of his NIMBY allies are asking what happened, why isn&#8217;t the project dead (from what they thought would be hundreds of millions added to the cost from a mandated tunnel they championed) etc. That has always been the real goal of these alleged activists not the safety of kids etc. It is NOBLAG all over again.</p>
<p>There will be some politics involved in all this. The various California transit agencies have been unhappy at the growing perceived intrusive manner of that PUC (as happened with the Gold Line Phaser I and the Sprinter). You can bet pressure will be brought on the Commission since this ruling is not in line with grade crossing practice heretofore and many light rail projects across the state would be hobbled if this is the standard from now on. The transit agencies have just as much right as Damien and his crusaders to express views, etc. This is a public process.</p>
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