Comments on: Gasoline Has Changed LA, But Will It Change Back? http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/gasoline-has-changed-la-but-will-it-change-back/ Covering Los Angeles's livable streets movement Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Matt Gleason http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/gasoline-has-changed-la-but-will-it-change-back/comment-page-1/#comment-2268 Matt Gleason Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:35:13 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=1138#comment-2268 Hi Tad I appreciate the link. Its interesting, though I think I have some mehtodological problems with it--better addressed with the author. One note-- leaving out those "last million people" ignores the fact that they are included in the MSA for a reason-- they are socially and econmically integrated with it. Meaning they travel throughout it, and residents of denser areas travel to their less dense areas. besides, the fact remains that NY-NJ-Conn is the only MSA in the country where transit has a large mode share. Us moving from #1 to #3 does not change that Hi Tad
I appreciate the link. Its interesting, though I think I have some mehtodological problems with it–better addressed with the author.

One note–
leaving out those “last million people” ignores the fact that they are included in the MSA for a reason– they are socially and econmically integrated with it.
Meaning they travel throughout it, and residents of denser areas travel to their less dense areas.

besides, the fact remains that NY-NJ-Conn is the only MSA in the country where transit has a large mode share.

Us moving from #1 to #3 does not change that

]]> By: Tad Benton http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/gasoline-has-changed-la-but-will-it-change-back/comment-page-1/#comment-2266 Tad Benton Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:36:58 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=1138#comment-2266 Bah. I really hate that stat about LA being the densest metropolitan area. It has a lot more to do with a relatively uniform level of development over a very, very large area than with anything anyone walking around would recognize as density. Here's a very nice post on the subject from someone smarter than me: http://austinzoning.typepad.com/austincontrarian/2008/03/perceived-densi.html And an excellent follow-up that puts LA at a more reasonable, but still impressive, no. 3. http://austinzoning.typepad.com/austincontrarian/2008/03/weighted-densit.html Bah. I really hate that stat about LA being the densest metropolitan area. It has a lot more to do with a relatively uniform level of development over a very, very large area than with anything anyone walking around would recognize as density.

Here’s a very nice post on the subject from someone smarter than me:

http://austinzoning.typepad.com/austincontrarian/2008/03/perceived-densi.html

And an excellent follow-up that puts LA at a more reasonable, but still impressive, no. 3.

http://austinzoning.typepad.com/austincontrarian/2008/03/weighted-densit.html

]]> By: Matt Gleason http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/gasoline-has-changed-la-but-will-it-change-back/comment-page-1/#comment-2264 Matt Gleason Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:37:38 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=1138#comment-2264 According to the US Census LA is the densest Metro in the country. We also have lots of parking spots. In and of itself, density does not encourage transit use. Congestion tolling and really expensive parking can. According to the US Census LA is the densest Metro in the country.

We also have lots of parking spots.

In and of itself, density does not encourage transit use.

Congestion tolling and really expensive parking can.

]]> By: adam http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/gasoline-has-changed-la-but-will-it-change-back/comment-page-1/#comment-2257 adam Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:23:20 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=1138#comment-2257 I had always thought that even if gas prices stayed over $4/gallon people would just go back to their old ways. So with gas prices heading back where they came from, I don't expect next year looks any different than last year unfortunately. However on a longer time scale, in a large growing city such as LA, density is a forgone conclusion. Even more so considering recent buzz-words such as smart growth and transit hub... Therefore, the relative convenience of mass transit to autos should only increase and citizens will adjust accordingly. I had always thought that even if gas prices stayed over $4/gallon people would just go back to their old ways. So with gas prices heading back where they came from, I don’t expect next year looks any different than last year unfortunately.

However on a longer time scale, in a large growing city such as LA, density is a forgone conclusion. Even more so considering recent buzz-words such as smart growth and transit hub… Therefore, the relative convenience of mass transit to autos should only increase and citizens will adjust accordingly.

]]> By: Henry http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/gasoline-has-changed-la-but-will-it-change-back/comment-page-1/#comment-2250 Henry Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:13:53 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=1138#comment-2250 Unfortunately no everyone reverts to driving. old habits are truly hard to break in a city built around driving. then again its an election year and oil prices always go down before the elections. The smart people will stick to transit while all the lemmings will drive and stress out in traffic. Unfortunately no everyone reverts to driving. old habits are truly hard to break in a city built around driving. then again its an election year and oil prices always go down before the elections. The smart people will stick to transit while all the lemmings will drive and stress out in traffic.

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