Comments on: Trucking Groups Takes Ports to Court Over “Clean Truck” Plan http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/08/trucking-groups-takes-ports-to-court-over-clean-truck-plan/ Covering Los Angeles's livable streets movement Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: New Trucks http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/08/trucking-groups-takes-ports-to-court-over-clean-truck-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-2241 New Trucks Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:17:54 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=1121#comment-2241 Shelby, I get where your coming from. Back in the 70’s and early 80’s when I was an owner/operator transferring container freight, we were put against the wall by rising fuel prices, and large fleets owned by corporate interests wanted to put the rest of us out of business. I think that in this case the same is true, only under the guise of “green trucks”. Shelby, I get where your coming from. Back in the 70’s and early 80’s when I was an owner/operator transferring container freight, we were put against the wall by rising fuel prices, and large fleets owned by corporate interests wanted to put the rest of us out of business. I think that in this case the same is true, only under the guise of “green trucks”.

]]> By: tom politeo http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/08/trucking-groups-takes-ports-to-court-over-clean-truck-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-2223 tom politeo Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:52:54 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=1121#comment-2223 Electric trucks are in the future for short haul drayage in the port of Los Angeles, with a model demonstrated earlier this year. It's fuel costs are five times less using electricity than diesel per mile. Besides being clean, the trucks are much quieter, which should help with night operations. Union Pacific is also looking at installing magnetic levitation (maglev) rail from the docks in the ports to its near dock intermodal container transfer facility (ICTF). This would also run entirely on electricity. The Port of Los Angeles is installing a 10 megawatt solar facility to help power all this. Through steps like these and the electrification of conventional rail (which has been done in Europe widely), the filthy and noisy goods movement industry will become much cleaner and quieter. Trucks will always haul "the last mile", but the new trucks will make the ones we have today look like they are from the stone age. Ditto for the new trains. Electric trucks are in the future for short haul drayage in the port of Los Angeles, with a model demonstrated earlier this year. It’s fuel costs are five times less using electricity than diesel per mile. Besides being clean, the trucks are much quieter, which should help with night operations.

Union Pacific is also looking at installing magnetic levitation (maglev) rail from the docks in the ports to its near dock intermodal container transfer facility (ICTF). This would also run entirely on electricity. The Port of Los Angeles is installing a 10 megawatt solar facility to help power all this.

Through steps like these and the electrification of conventional rail (which has been done in Europe widely), the filthy and noisy goods movement industry will become much cleaner and quieter.

Trucks will always haul “the last mile”, but the new trucks will make the ones we have today look like they are from the stone age. Ditto for the new trains.

]]> By: Lorenzo http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/08/trucking-groups-takes-ports-to-court-over-clean-truck-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-2213 Lorenzo Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:53:00 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=1121#comment-2213 Working for an International Freight Forwarder and living in Long Beach, the port should crack down on the dirty trucks. The drivers and operators of these trucks are "dirty owners" and in many cases are not licensed and drive careless. I support the decision to ban them and it would be nice to see some responsibility put back on those who have no consideration for the enviroment or for those who live around it the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach. Working for an International Freight Forwarder and living in Long Beach, the port should crack down on the dirty trucks. The drivers and operators of these trucks are “dirty owners” and in many cases are not licensed and drive careless. I support the decision to ban them and it would be nice to see some responsibility put back on those who have no consideration for the enviroment or for those who live around it the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach.

]]> By: Shelby http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/08/trucking-groups-takes-ports-to-court-over-clean-truck-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-2211 Shelby Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:04:16 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=1121#comment-2211 Whether that is accurate, probable, practical or otherwise, as I mentioned previously, is not the issue at hand in this case. The actual issue that I was addressing and that this case is addressing, or would be if people could read between the lines of what is being fed to them, is that the ports are attempting to impose regulations on trucking companies that are not related to the environment at all in order to create a monopoly under the guise of clean air. See what a good job they are doing!? You can't even read past the first two sentences of my first comment and get to the point of my argument, as they have you so willingly blinded by the "clean air" aspect, which as I said before is a legitimate qualm if they were not using it to be deceptive. I hope this was clearer than my first post, I pride myself on being accurate both in spelling and content. Whether that is accurate, probable, practical or otherwise, as I mentioned previously, is not the issue at hand in this case. The actual issue that I was addressing and that this case is addressing, or would be if people could read between the lines of what is being fed to them, is that the ports are attempting to impose regulations on trucking companies that are not related to the environment at all in order to create a monopoly under the guise of clean air. See what a good job they are doing!? You can’t even read past the first two sentences of my first comment and get to the point of my argument, as they have you so willingly blinded by the “clean air” aspect, which as I said before is a legitimate qualm if they were not using it to be deceptive. I hope this was clearer than my first post, I pride myself on being accurate both in spelling and content.

]]> By: Omri http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/08/trucking-groups-takes-ports-to-court-over-clean-truck-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-2210 Omri Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:52:45 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=1121#comment-2210 Last I heard, Shelvy, it's not difficult to do an intermodal transfer from rail to truck, and there are plenty of facilities around the country to do that. And doing so outside of the LA valley means those trucks don't add to the LA smog. Last I heard, Shelvy, it’s not difficult to do an intermodal transfer from rail to truck, and there are plenty of facilities around the country to do that. And doing so outside of the LA valley means those trucks don’t add to the LA smog.

]]> By: Shelby http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/08/trucking-groups-takes-ports-to-court-over-clean-truck-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-2209 Shelby Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:31:31 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=1121#comment-2209 And this magical rail could move every container to every destination? If this technology were feasible, even I, an employee of a California trucking company, would be behind it. The problem at hand here isn't actually the move towards cleaner trucks, everyone is in favor of those and is of the understanding that cleaner trucks are an inevitable reality of the industry. The trucking companies and the CTA have greater issue with the way the new measures will (unconstitutionally) change how the businesses are run; they are trying to dictate who can do business under the umbrella of "green," an important issue that is being abused in this case to essentially create a monopoly. And unfortunately their abuse seems to be working on the general public, evidenced by the previous comment. And this magical rail could move every container to every destination? If this technology were feasible, even I, an employee of a California trucking company, would be behind it. The problem at hand here isn’t actually the move towards cleaner trucks, everyone is in favor of those and is of the understanding that cleaner trucks are an inevitable reality of the industry. The trucking companies and the CTA have greater issue with the way the new measures will (unconstitutionally) change how the businesses are run; they are trying to dictate who can do business under the umbrella of “green,” an important issue that is being abused in this case to essentially create a monopoly. And unfortunately their abuse seems to be working on the general public, evidenced by the previous comment.

]]> By: Omri http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/08/trucking-groups-takes-ports-to-court-over-clean-truck-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-2208 Omri Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:04:12 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/?p=1121#comment-2208 One way to would be to kick the truckers out altogether and use rail to receive those shipping containers. Then it could be electrified, and the area around the port would see vastly improved air quality. One way to would be to kick the truckers out altogether and use rail to receive those shipping containers.

Then it could be electrified, and the area around the port would see vastly improved air quality.

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