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	<title>Comments on: Seattle Critical Mass Assault a Flashpoint in Bike v Car Culture</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ride Civil has organized a monthly ride as an alternative to Critical Mass. The next ride is this Friday (08/08/08) beginning at 5:30 from Westlake Center.

Information is at Ride Civil at http://seattle.ridecivil.org .

There is a Facebook group as well at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=33421667813 .

Join up and join the ride too.

Best,
Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ride Civil has organized a monthly ride as an alternative to Critical Mass. The next ride is this Friday (08/08/08) beginning at 5:30 from Westlake Center.</p>
<p>Information is at Ride Civil at <a href="http://seattle.ridecivil.org" rel="nofollow">http://seattle.ridecivil.org</a> .</p>
<p>There is a Facebook group as well at <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=33421667813" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=33421667813</a> .</p>
<p>Join up and join the ride too.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: BigD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are the bicyclists feeling wronged for what they did? These bicyclists trapped a car with it&#039;s occupants and stateed assaulting him and I&#039;ve seen this more than once before in this city. Critical Mass seems to think they own the road and can break whatever laws they want to and yet it&#039;s a car drivers fault when someone gets hurt, even when the bicycle riders provoked the fight that got this man hit on the head by someone who meant to inflict as much damage as possible!

I hope this group is outlawed themselves! One person actually yelled &quot;this week it was knives to tires and if you try to stop us next time it will be a knife to your throat&quot;! Really? Go ahead and just try to commit murder and see where that gets you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are the bicyclists feeling wronged for what they did? These bicyclists trapped a car with it&#8217;s occupants and stateed assaulting him and I&#8217;ve seen this more than once before in this city. Critical Mass seems to think they own the road and can break whatever laws they want to and yet it&#8217;s a car drivers fault when someone gets hurt, even when the bicycle riders provoked the fight that got this man hit on the head by someone who meant to inflict as much damage as possible!</p>
<p>I hope this group is outlawed themselves! One person actually yelled &#8220;this week it was knives to tires and if you try to stop us next time it will be a knife to your throat&#8221;! Really? Go ahead and just try to commit murder and see where that gets you!</p>
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		<title>By: SeattleWitness</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeattleWitness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first encounter with CM was Friday night in Seattle about 10 minutes before the much publicized altercation.  We were parking our car across the street from our restaraunt destination when my girlfriend and I noticed the large group of cyclists proceeding down the main boulevard (Broadway) through the neighborhood.

I have no idea what happened in the actual altercation 10 minutes later, but what I witnessed personally in my own encounter with this group left me with a lasting impression.

I watched a few things that bothered me just a little, like the group running the red light, not allowing pedestrians to cross the street at the crosswalk, and interfering with traffic in both directions of travel.  The reason I mention it is because it established the notion in my mind that this group did not have law-abiding intentions.

However, what really got me to spend the next three days pondering this incident is when I saw the cyclists using their bodies and thier bikes to actually surround and block motor vehicles from proceeding on the roadway.

These actions (that I now understand are called &quot;corking&quot; by CM) are where I think an extremely dangerous line was crossed.  Regardless of the &quot;real&quot; intent or nature of the group as a whole, I was very shaken to witness everyday citizens being detained without provocation or explanation.  In my mind, all it would take is a minor reaction from either side for the situation to escalate completely out of control.

What I haven&#039;t been able to resolve for myself is how I would react to some group of strangers tyring to immobilize me and vehicle without provocation.  All I could say is that it seems extremely dangerous, and extremely reliant on a very passive driver to expect a non-violent outcome using this &quot;corking&quot; tactic.

For someone who is not familiar with the group, and has a strong sense of right and obligation to protect himself, I can completely see a valid argument for using force to get away.  In this country, there&#039;s no excuse for detaining someone in this manner and not expecting them to exercise their right to get away.  If you&#039;re foolish enough to block a 3,000 lb. vehicle with your 20 lb. bicycle, it would give me reason to assume your judgment is something worth getting away from.

Within a few minutes of the group passing us, police cars were speeding in their direction.  I commented then that there was probably an altercation resulting from the kind of situation I had just witnessed.

In my mind, what happened next was completely predictable, and could have turned out much worse.  Thankfully, that incident ended with only some recoverable injuries and a beat up car.  

I hope there&#039;s some intervetion before the group&#039;s ride next month.

Those are my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first encounter with CM was Friday night in Seattle about 10 minutes before the much publicized altercation.  We were parking our car across the street from our restaraunt destination when my girlfriend and I noticed the large group of cyclists proceeding down the main boulevard (Broadway) through the neighborhood.</p>
<p>I have no idea what happened in the actual altercation 10 minutes later, but what I witnessed personally in my own encounter with this group left me with a lasting impression.</p>
<p>I watched a few things that bothered me just a little, like the group running the red light, not allowing pedestrians to cross the street at the crosswalk, and interfering with traffic in both directions of travel.  The reason I mention it is because it established the notion in my mind that this group did not have law-abiding intentions.</p>
<p>However, what really got me to spend the next three days pondering this incident is when I saw the cyclists using their bodies and thier bikes to actually surround and block motor vehicles from proceeding on the roadway.</p>
<p>These actions (that I now understand are called &#8220;corking&#8221; by CM) are where I think an extremely dangerous line was crossed.  Regardless of the &#8220;real&#8221; intent or nature of the group as a whole, I was very shaken to witness everyday citizens being detained without provocation or explanation.  In my mind, all it would take is a minor reaction from either side for the situation to escalate completely out of control.</p>
<p>What I haven&#8217;t been able to resolve for myself is how I would react to some group of strangers tyring to immobilize me and vehicle without provocation.  All I could say is that it seems extremely dangerous, and extremely reliant on a very passive driver to expect a non-violent outcome using this &#8220;corking&#8221; tactic.</p>
<p>For someone who is not familiar with the group, and has a strong sense of right and obligation to protect himself, I can completely see a valid argument for using force to get away.  In this country, there&#8217;s no excuse for detaining someone in this manner and not expecting them to exercise their right to get away.  If you&#8217;re foolish enough to block a 3,000 lb. vehicle with your 20 lb. bicycle, it would give me reason to assume your judgment is something worth getting away from.</p>
<p>Within a few minutes of the group passing us, police cars were speeding in their direction.  I commented then that there was probably an altercation resulting from the kind of situation I had just witnessed.</p>
<p>In my mind, what happened next was completely predictable, and could have turned out much worse.  Thankfully, that incident ended with only some recoverable injuries and a beat up car.  </p>
<p>I hope there&#8217;s some intervetion before the group&#8217;s ride next month.</p>
<p>Those are my two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: BigDave</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/07/29/seattle-critical-mass-assault-a-flashpoint-in-bike-v-car-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-1784</link>
		<dc:creator>BigDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if I was to organize a counter-protest, where a large group of pedestrians blocked the Critical Mass cyclists by walking slowly through a crosswalk, would that be OK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if I was to organize a counter-protest, where a large group of pedestrians blocked the Critical Mass cyclists by walking slowly through a crosswalk, would that be OK?</p>
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		<title>By: KinOfCain</title>
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		<dc:creator>KinOfCain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andy B: I think you kind of made our point for us: neither are OK -- The motorcyclists were being rude and dangerous as well. 

And a funeral precession is a very, very different thing than a bunch of self-righteous bicyclists gathered together for the sole purpose of garnering attention by being annoying.

I&#039;ve biked for many years, I used to commute by bike. I support improved infrastructure for bicyclists, but being antagonistic, annoying and dangerous isn&#039;t going to win any friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andy B: I think you kind of made our point for us: neither are OK &#8212; The motorcyclists were being rude and dangerous as well. </p>
<p>And a funeral precession is a very, very different thing than a bunch of self-righteous bicyclists gathered together for the sole purpose of garnering attention by being annoying.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve biked for many years, I used to commute by bike. I support improved infrastructure for bicyclists, but being antagonistic, annoying and dangerous isn&#8217;t going to win any friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funerals maybe but the motorcyclists, I doubt it.  I&#039;ve never seen a police escort with either that I&#039;ve observed and some of the motorcycle rides had less than 50 riders.

I wonder if states have special laws about funeral processions.  I doubt most have special provisions in their Motor Vehicle Code to allow funeral processions to blow red lights and stop signs without a police escort.  It has just become custom to do so, like waving someone through an intersection when traffic is backed up in front of you.

Also I was once harassed by a bunch of motorcyclists on a &quot;run&quot; on the freeway in New Jersey.  There were hundreds if not a thousand motorcyclists going down the Interstate at around 55mph (speed limit 65).  I was passing them for 10 minutes as I cruised by doing about 70mph.  When I went to merge into the right lane to exit (very politely with my turn-signal and in a large gap way before my exit), I was &quot;flipped-off&quot; and even cursed at when one pulled up next to me!  WELL EXCUSE ME!!!  What the hell else was I to do!

Oh yeah!  That massive group of motorcycle riders didn&#039;t have a police escort either but that&#039;s OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funerals maybe but the motorcyclists, I doubt it.  I&#8217;ve never seen a police escort with either that I&#8217;ve observed and some of the motorcycle rides had less than 50 riders.</p>
<p>I wonder if states have special laws about funeral processions.  I doubt most have special provisions in their Motor Vehicle Code to allow funeral processions to blow red lights and stop signs without a police escort.  It has just become custom to do so, like waving someone through an intersection when traffic is backed up in front of you.</p>
<p>Also I was once harassed by a bunch of motorcyclists on a &#8220;run&#8221; on the freeway in New Jersey.  There were hundreds if not a thousand motorcyclists going down the Interstate at around 55mph (speed limit 65).  I was passing them for 10 minutes as I cruised by doing about 70mph.  When I went to merge into the right lane to exit (very politely with my turn-signal and in a large gap way before my exit), I was &#8220;flipped-off&#8221; and even cursed at when one pulled up next to me!  WELL EXCUSE ME!!!  What the hell else was I to do!</p>
<p>Oh yeah!  That massive group of motorcycle riders didn&#8217;t have a police escort either but that&#8217;s OK.</p>
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		<title>By: Not the original A.T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not the original A.T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy B stated that motorcyclists and funerals get to stop traffic. They generally have permits to do so because of the collective number. Bicyclists on huge charity rides do also (at least that is what I have heard) when there are a thousand cyclists going through a small city.

It would destroy the nature of critical mass, but could you imagine the irony of a huge bike ride through santa monica, with police escorts blocking the intersections so the cyclists could all ride through en mass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy B stated that motorcyclists and funerals get to stop traffic. They generally have permits to do so because of the collective number. Bicyclists on huge charity rides do also (at least that is what I have heard) when there are a thousand cyclists going through a small city.</p>
<p>It would destroy the nature of critical mass, but could you imagine the irony of a huge bike ride through santa monica, with police escorts blocking the intersections so the cyclists could all ride through en mass.</p>
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		<title>By: bikinginla</title>
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		<dc:creator>bikinginla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to friends in Seattle, I&#039;ve been following this story since Saturday. And Damien hits the nail on the head when he says, regardless of who is right or wrong in this case, that the police and press jumped to the conclusion that the cyclists were at fault.

I can understand the press getting it wrong. It makes a far better story if a bunch of rampaging bikers attacked a defenseless driver, than if a driver just ran into some bikers, intentionally or not. Or, as usually happens in these cases, if both sides were at fault.

But there is simply no excuse for police bias against cyclists leading them to ignore the witnesses, just because they happened to be other CM riders. Or for the press failing to do it&#039;s job in keeping the police honest.

The real story here is that the system failed. Once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to friends in Seattle, I&#8217;ve been following this story since Saturday. And Damien hits the nail on the head when he says, regardless of who is right or wrong in this case, that the police and press jumped to the conclusion that the cyclists were at fault.</p>
<p>I can understand the press getting it wrong. It makes a far better story if a bunch of rampaging bikers attacked a defenseless driver, than if a driver just ran into some bikers, intentionally or not. Or, as usually happens in these cases, if both sides were at fault.</p>
<p>But there is simply no excuse for police bias against cyclists leading them to ignore the witnesses, just because they happened to be other CM riders. Or for the press failing to do it&#8217;s job in keeping the police honest.</p>
<p>The real story here is that the system failed. Once again.</p>
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		<title>By: Asha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think there needs to be some policy issues worked out on critical mass. I know there is an anarchist spirit to it, but it precipitates misunderstandings and pisses many motorists off. Blocking off intersections so bikers can go through red lights seems questionable at best. What if a pack of cars decided to do this? Drivers, who are inconvenienced by having to wait a few minutes for bicycles to pass, are out of line assaulting bikers, period. But bikers need to find a way to make their protest more effective.&quot;

Thank you!!  Well said!   

Although aggression directed at cyclists is never acceptable or appropriate, it is also a challenge to communicate a positive message of cycling, when many of the participants on a group ride like critical mass are being disruptive and rude.   In particular it is damaging to those riders who want to remain respectful and reasonably law abiding...

It certainly couldn&#039;t hurt for cyclists to develop a more coherent strategy when demonstrating....but doesn&#039;t that go against the anarchistic and leaderless &quot;spirit&quot; of critical mass?   How does one control chaos?   It is up to each individual on the ride to demonstrate good behavior and courtesy... 

(ex: Critical Manners up in San Francisco...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think there needs to be some policy issues worked out on critical mass. I know there is an anarchist spirit to it, but it precipitates misunderstandings and pisses many motorists off. Blocking off intersections so bikers can go through red lights seems questionable at best. What if a pack of cars decided to do this? Drivers, who are inconvenienced by having to wait a few minutes for bicycles to pass, are out of line assaulting bikers, period. But bikers need to find a way to make their protest more effective.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you!!  Well said!   </p>
<p>Although aggression directed at cyclists is never acceptable or appropriate, it is also a challenge to communicate a positive message of cycling, when many of the participants on a group ride like critical mass are being disruptive and rude.   In particular it is damaging to those riders who want to remain respectful and reasonably law abiding&#8230;</p>
<p>It certainly couldn&#8217;t hurt for cyclists to develop a more coherent strategy when demonstrating&#8230;.but doesn&#8217;t that go against the anarchistic and leaderless &#8220;spirit&#8221; of critical mass?   How does one control chaos?   It is up to each individual on the ride to demonstrate good behavior and courtesy&#8230; </p>
<p>(ex: Critical Manners up in San Francisco&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,

Motorcyclists riding in special &quot;runs&quot; block traffic at red lights so the group can get through all the time and no one seems to care.  Funeral procession do it to!  But a bunch of people do it bicycles and it&#039;s justifiable grounds for assault with a deadly weapon.

I don&#039;t condone much of what Critical Mass has become and no longer participate in the ride in my local small New Jersey town.  However corking intersections so the group can make it through is in everybody&#039;s best safety interest.  That said, the head riders in the group should NEVER blow through red lights (or stops signs) forcing the rest to blindly follow.

BTW, in a CM I&#039;ve done in the past, drivers were threatening our group of 20 riders for being in the road as we were stuck in massive gridlock with them.  There are just TOO MANY drivers out there who are homicidal maniacs.  As if the 50 feet of road we were occupying in front of him would have gotten him home any more than 2 seconds sooner!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,</p>
<p>Motorcyclists riding in special &#8220;runs&#8221; block traffic at red lights so the group can get through all the time and no one seems to care.  Funeral procession do it to!  But a bunch of people do it bicycles and it&#8217;s justifiable grounds for assault with a deadly weapon.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t condone much of what Critical Mass has become and no longer participate in the ride in my local small New Jersey town.  However corking intersections so the group can make it through is in everybody&#8217;s best safety interest.  That said, the head riders in the group should NEVER blow through red lights (or stops signs) forcing the rest to blindly follow.</p>
<p>BTW, in a CM I&#8217;ve done in the past, drivers were threatening our group of 20 riders for being in the road as we were stuck in massive gridlock with them.  There are just TOO MANY drivers out there who are homicidal maniacs.  As if the 50 feet of road we were occupying in front of him would have gotten him home any more than 2 seconds sooner!</p>
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		<title>By: KinOfCain</title>
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		<dc:creator>KinOfCain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not knowing what happened I of course can&#039;t say who was in the right, but if the purpose of your protest is to annoy and anger people by inconveniencing them, you shouldn&#039;t be surprised when those people lash out at you.

Expecting people in cars to be rational and level headed while you antagonize them by blocking intersections, running stop signs, blocking streets, etc. is arrogant and naive.

That doesn&#039;t make a driver who attacks or endangers the bicyclists justified in his/her actions. But you can&#039;t be surprised that it happens.

If you&#039;re being a dick, there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;re going to get punched, regardless of what the law says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not knowing what happened I of course can&#8217;t say who was in the right, but if the purpose of your protest is to annoy and anger people by inconveniencing them, you shouldn&#8217;t be surprised when those people lash out at you.</p>
<p>Expecting people in cars to be rational and level headed while you antagonize them by blocking intersections, running stop signs, blocking streets, etc. is arrogant and naive.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t make a driver who attacks or endangers the bicyclists justified in his/her actions. But you can&#8217;t be surprised that it happens.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re being a dick, there&#8217;s a good chance you&#8217;re going to get punched, regardless of what the law says.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure why CM bikers can&#039;t stop at red lights or stop signs. It would be way more productive and may help gain more respect from motorists. I mean, what if one day there were just that many bikers riding to work? I think the goal should be to show how hundreds of bikers can share the roads responsibly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure why CM bikers can&#8217;t stop at red lights or stop signs. It would be way more productive and may help gain more respect from motorists. I mean, what if one day there were just that many bikers riding to work? I think the goal should be to show how hundreds of bikers can share the roads responsibly.</p>
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		<title>By: kg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, I couldn&#039;t agree more. We need a policy solution. The anarchist spirit of Critical Mass rides is exactly what makes them so fun and risky. As cyclists, we are always extremely vulnerable on the road and CM rides (or any group rides for that matter) are the only moments where we have any sort of ability to feel strong as a collective. That energy turns adversarial the instant the tension between the cars and the riders (or, god forbid, the police) reaches a boiling point. We need to come up with a way to feel strong without letting it get out of control. When cars act out against us when we are alone on the road, we couldn&#039;t be more at risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, I couldn&#8217;t agree more. We need a policy solution. The anarchist spirit of Critical Mass rides is exactly what makes them so fun and risky. As cyclists, we are always extremely vulnerable on the road and CM rides (or any group rides for that matter) are the only moments where we have any sort of ability to feel strong as a collective. That energy turns adversarial the instant the tension between the cars and the riders (or, god forbid, the police) reaches a boiling point. We need to come up with a way to feel strong without letting it get out of control. When cars act out against us when we are alone on the road, we couldn&#8217;t be more at risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There actually was another incident in the June critical mass, which I participated in.  We were downtown heading North on 1st Ave around Madison.  I was in the last third of the pack.  There were a few bicyclists that had blocked off the traffic headed west.  One car started throwing their soda&#039;s at a biker and shouting for them to move out of the way.  The biker simply stood his ground.   Then, a minivan in the left-hand lane started inching towards two bikers and revving its engine.  I circled back and watched as the minivan driver started to actually crush two bikes with riders still on them.  Everyone was shouting for him to stop and some of us started beating on the car because what else could we do?  The bikers were pinned by the bumper.  Somehow they jumped free.  

It seemed like it could quickly turn into a mob riot, so most of us decided to leave after the bikers were relatively safe.  Did anyone else here witness this event?  

I think there needs to be some policy issues worked out on critical mass.  I know there is an anarchist spirit to it, but it precipitates misunderstandings and pisses many motorists off.  Blocking off intersections so bikers can go through red lights seems questionable at best. What if a pack of cars decided to do this?  Drivers, who are inconvenienced by having to wait a few minutes for bicycles to pass, are out of line assaulting bikers, period.  But bikers need to find a way to make their protest more effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There actually was another incident in the June critical mass, which I participated in.  We were downtown heading North on 1st Ave around Madison.  I was in the last third of the pack.  There were a few bicyclists that had blocked off the traffic headed west.  One car started throwing their soda&#8217;s at a biker and shouting for them to move out of the way.  The biker simply stood his ground.   Then, a minivan in the left-hand lane started inching towards two bikers and revving its engine.  I circled back and watched as the minivan driver started to actually crush two bikes with riders still on them.  Everyone was shouting for him to stop and some of us started beating on the car because what else could we do?  The bikers were pinned by the bumper.  Somehow they jumped free.  </p>
<p>It seemed like it could quickly turn into a mob riot, so most of us decided to leave after the bikers were relatively safe.  Did anyone else here witness this event?  </p>
<p>I think there needs to be some policy issues worked out on critical mass.  I know there is an anarchist spirit to it, but it precipitates misunderstandings and pisses many motorists off.  Blocking off intersections so bikers can go through red lights seems questionable at best. What if a pack of cars decided to do this?  Drivers, who are inconvenienced by having to wait a few minutes for bicycles to pass, are out of line assaulting bikers, period.  But bikers need to find a way to make their protest more effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is this other AT?  I&#039;m the original AT - ya hear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is this other AT?  I&#8217;m the original AT &#8211; ya hear?</p>
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		<title>By: A.T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those CM riders that have them need to use their cell phone cameras or have them on video standby whenever they mass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those CM riders that have them need to use their cell phone cameras or have them on video standby whenever they mass.</p>
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