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	<title>Comments on: July 4th Road Rage Crash Grabs Police and Media Attention</title>
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		<title>By: Dan at LAX Parking</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/07/08/july-4th-road-rage-crash-grabs-police-and-media-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-378021</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan at LAX Parking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 13:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope all of the people involve are fine. This guy&#039;s a doctor - a life saver - but he did what he did knowing fully well that his action placed another person&#039;s life in grave danger. I guess road rage can consume even the sanest among us.

Dan F.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope all of the people involve are fine. This guy&#8217;s a doctor &#8211; a life saver &#8211; but he did what he did knowing fully well that his action placed another person&#8217;s life in grave danger. I guess road rage can consume even the sanest among us.</p>
<p>Dan F.</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s with Bob and Terry, are they retarded. Maybe someday a semi will slam on it brakes in front of them and they will know how it feels</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s with Bob and Terry, are they retarded. Maybe someday a semi will slam on it brakes in front of them and they will know how it feels</p>
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		<title>By: oohyeah</title>
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		<dc:creator>oohyeah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob and Terry don&#039;t ride, and now they can&#039;t because they&#039;re too fat and miserable.  So they cruise around in their gas guzzlers hating people who have the motivation to get in shape, looking for blogs like this to express their self-loathing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob and Terry don&#8217;t ride, and now they can&#8217;t because they&#8217;re too fat and miserable.  So they cruise around in their gas guzzlers hating people who have the motivation to get in shape, looking for blogs like this to express their self-loathing.</p>
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		<title>By: Coops</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/07/08/july-4th-road-rage-crash-grabs-police-and-media-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-106371</link>
		<dc:creator>Coops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry most bikies would just punk you in a toe to toe so quit the big talk little man...;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry most bikies would just punk you in a toe to toe so quit the big talk little man&#8230;;-)</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 23:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record. The driver was sentenced today to 5 years in prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record. The driver was sentenced today to 5 years in prison.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry I</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These guys fared better than if it would have happened with me. I would have run over them and taken off. Fuck bicyclists that start crap and act like that. If I thought I could get away I&#039;d REALLY teach them a lesson. The idiot picked a fight and physics won! The doctor should sue him for damaging his car and wasting his time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These guys fared better than if it would have happened with me. I would have run over them and taken off. Fuck bicyclists that start crap and act like that. If I thought I could get away I&#8217;d REALLY teach them a lesson. The idiot picked a fight and physics won! The doctor should sue him for damaging his car and wasting his time!</p>
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		<title>By: Play Super Mario</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/07/08/july-4th-road-rage-crash-grabs-police-and-media-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-2948</link>
		<dc:creator>Play Super Mario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an ugly accident. Hope that both the cyclists and the doctor is fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an ugly accident. Hope that both the cyclists and the doctor is fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Recipes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recipes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow that is really terrible</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow that is really terrible</p>
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		<title>By: RPO</title>
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		<dc:creator>RPO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damn that sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn that sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHAHAAHA...did he have tight shorts on?  I hope there are more of these accidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHAHAAHA&#8230;did he have tight shorts on?  I hope there are more of these accidents.</p>
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		<title>By: cr0vax</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/07/08/july-4th-road-rage-crash-grabs-police-and-media-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-1562</link>
		<dc:creator>cr0vax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an awfull story. I hope the cyclist will recover health and the doctor will stay in jail for a veeeeeeeery long time.

A french cyclist from Paris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an awfull story. I hope the cyclist will recover health and the doctor will stay in jail for a veeeeeeeery long time.</p>
<p>A french cyclist from Paris.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Turnbull</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/07/08/july-4th-road-rage-crash-grabs-police-and-media-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-1483</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Turnbull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in the Midwest.  But if I lived in LA I would make a banner that read, &quot;I Brake For Cyclists&quot; and put it in this guy&#039;s yard.  I&#039;m not trying to say someone else should do it, it&#039;s just what I would do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the Midwest.  But if I lived in LA I would make a banner that read, &#8220;I Brake For Cyclists&#8221; and put it in this guy&#8217;s yard.  I&#8217;m not trying to say someone else should do it, it&#8217;s just what I would do.</p>
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		<title>By: Junior</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/07/08/july-4th-road-rage-crash-grabs-police-and-media-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-1477</link>
		<dc:creator>Junior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They ran into the back of him.  They were thus following too closely and should be charged for the damages to the doctors car.  It&#039;s the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They ran into the back of him.  They were thus following too closely and should be charged for the damages to the doctors car.  It&#8217;s the law.</p>
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		<title>By: CHARLES WALSH</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/07/08/july-4th-road-rage-crash-grabs-police-and-media-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-1464</link>
		<dc:creator>CHARLES WALSH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This doctor needs psychiatric help along with lots of community service but jail time will do little to correct his way of processing and dealing with his surroundings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doctor needs psychiatric help along with lots of community service but jail time will do little to correct his way of processing and dealing with his surroundings.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Thompson</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/07/08/july-4th-road-rage-crash-grabs-police-and-media-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-1463</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marshall,

That&#039;s awful.  I&#039;m sorry to hear that.  I hope that your friend recovers fully, and that you find some information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marshall,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s awful.  I&#8217;m sorry to hear that.  I hope that your friend recovers fully, and that you find some information.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the end, I hope some good comes from this.  I hope that an example is made of that driver with a stiff punishment.  And, I hope that more riders will take Darwinism into account, and realize that there are crazy people out there, who will react to and punish them for being inconsiderate riders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the end, I hope some good comes from this.  I hope that an example is made of that driver with a stiff punishment.  And, I hope that more riders will take Darwinism into account, and realize that there are crazy people out there, who will react to and punish them for being inconsiderate riders.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it horrifying that these two guys were essentially attacked by the driver.  They didn&#039;t deserve that, and I don’t condone the drivers actions.  He should be prosecuted.

What bothers me is how much responsibility these riders may bear in bringing this incident upon themselves.  They were reportedly blocking the road by not riding single file.  In fact, the eyewitness account I just read stated that they were in the middle of the road  And it has been reported that when the driver shouted an insult at them, one or both shouted back at him.

This incident is yet one more example of the all too common road rage.  But, it also sheds a very negative light on inconsiderate bikers, or groups of bikers, who essentially take over a road, and impede the safe flow of traffic.  Yes, us bikers every right to use the road.  But common sense and common courtesy dictates that if we are going slower than the flow of traffic, or much slower than the typical automobile would travel on a road, we should move over and allow automobiles to safely pass us.  I have been riding for over 20 years, and have never experienced any problems by adhering to this simple principle.

Please, think of that the next time you are in a large group of bikers, riding 5 or 6 wide, riding much slower than the flow of traffic (blocking traffic).  And don’t be so surprised when motorists honk at you to move over, or when they become upset when you act as-if it’s your right to ride in the middle of traffic at 20MPH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it horrifying that these two guys were essentially attacked by the driver.  They didn&#8217;t deserve that, and I don’t condone the drivers actions.  He should be prosecuted.</p>
<p>What bothers me is how much responsibility these riders may bear in bringing this incident upon themselves.  They were reportedly blocking the road by not riding single file.  In fact, the eyewitness account I just read stated that they were in the middle of the road  And it has been reported that when the driver shouted an insult at them, one or both shouted back at him.</p>
<p>This incident is yet one more example of the all too common road rage.  But, it also sheds a very negative light on inconsiderate bikers, or groups of bikers, who essentially take over a road, and impede the safe flow of traffic.  Yes, us bikers every right to use the road.  But common sense and common courtesy dictates that if we are going slower than the flow of traffic, or much slower than the typical automobile would travel on a road, we should move over and allow automobiles to safely pass us.  I have been riding for over 20 years, and have never experienced any problems by adhering to this simple principle.</p>
<p>Please, think of that the next time you are in a large group of bikers, riding 5 or 6 wide, riding much slower than the flow of traffic (blocking traffic).  And don’t be so surprised when motorists honk at you to move over, or when they become upset when you act as-if it’s your right to ride in the middle of traffic at 20MPH.</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Goldberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marshall Goldberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marshall GoldbergA close friend of mine was out here from Vermont and rented a bike on April 25. He was riding on Temescal Canyon around noon -- that&#039;s the last thing he remembers -- when he was found on a curb with multiple rib fractures, a smashed clavicle, concussion, bleeding brain, and permanent hearing loss. Months and several operations later he is still recovering. Doctors are convinced he was hit by a car; the injuries were too severe from just falling off a bike. Obviously, it takes a disgusting human being to hit a guy on a bike and then ride away, but as is clear from the story about the riders on Mandeville, bike riders see that type of person all the time. No witnesses came forward when my friend was hit. By any chance, did anyone on this site see or hear about anything that day? It was the Saturday in April that was unseasonably warm, around 100 degrees by noon. Please e-mail me if you have any information. It&#039;s not only a matter of justice; my friend is still grappling with how someone could do such a thing to anyone, especially to him. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marshall GoldbergA close friend of mine was out here from Vermont and rented a bike on April 25. He was riding on Temescal Canyon around noon &#8212; that&#8217;s the last thing he remembers &#8212; when he was found on a curb with multiple rib fractures, a smashed clavicle, concussion, bleeding brain, and permanent hearing loss. Months and several operations later he is still recovering. Doctors are convinced he was hit by a car; the injuries were too severe from just falling off a bike. Obviously, it takes a disgusting human being to hit a guy on a bike and then ride away, but as is clear from the story about the riders on Mandeville, bike riders see that type of person all the time. No witnesses came forward when my friend was hit. By any chance, did anyone on this site see or hear about anything that day? It was the Saturday in April that was unseasonably warm, around 100 degrees by noon. Please e-mail me if you have any information. It&#8217;s not only a matter of justice; my friend is still grappling with how someone could do such a thing to anyone, especially to him. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: SoapBoxLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoapBoxLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...often confused with the Hypocritical Oath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;often confused with the Hypocritical Oath.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much for the Hippocratic Oath.</description>
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