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	<title>Comments on: Another Community Endorses Cyclists Rights.  LAPD Still Confused About Them.</title>
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		<title>By: Alex Thompson</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/07/07/another-community-endorses-cyclists-rights-lapd-still-confused-about-them/comment-page-1/#comment-1416</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrea hasn&#039;t been to college yet . . . so we wouldn&#039;t let her do anything, but she probably could have settled the whole thing through careful mediation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea hasn't been to college yet . . . so we wouldn't let her do anything, but she probably could have settled the whole thing through careful mediation.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Thompson</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/07/07/another-community-endorses-cyclists-rights-lapd-still-confused-about-them/comment-page-1/#comment-1415</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;30 years of collective college course work&quot; = I loled!

Paul threw algorithms at them while I insisted they calculate the algorithmic complexity.  Stephen came up with clever names for their mistakes, and Enci helped them improve their stage presence.

Believe me, I&#039;m very aware of how we would be treated differently if had different ethnic backgrounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"30 years of collective college course work" = I loled!</p>
<p>Paul threw algorithms at them while I insisted they calculate the algorithmic complexity.  Stephen came up with clever names for their mistakes, and Enci helped them improve their stage presence.</p>
<p>Believe me, I'm very aware of how we would be treated differently if had different ethnic backgrounds.</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, stop some poor dude on a bike and have 30 years of collective college coursework thrown in your face! Poor cop! The guy is probably never going to pull over another cyclist again.

You guys are all high and mighty trying to fight for cyclists rights - but you should be wary of f**king with the LAPD. This is the department, after all, that is still modeled after the United States Marine Corps. They once ran one of the most racist big city police departments in the country for decades.

I wonder what would have happened if y&#039;all were a bunch of black guys on bikes, or if you kept asking questions in Spanish instead of English. Maybe a nightstick to the head, a dime bag shoved in your pocket, and a drug war sentence to tide you over for a few months in the pinta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, stop some poor dude on a bike and have 30 years of collective college coursework thrown in your face! Poor cop! The guy is probably never going to pull over another cyclist again.</p>
<p>You guys are all high and mighty trying to fight for cyclists rights - but you should be wary of f**king with the LAPD. This is the department, after all, that is still modeled after the United States Marine Corps. They once ran one of the most racist big city police departments in the country for decades.</p>
<p>I wonder what would have happened if y'all were a bunch of black guys on bikes, or if you kept asking questions in Spanish instead of English. Maybe a nightstick to the head, a dime bag shoved in your pocket, and a drug war sentence to tide you over for a few months in the pinta.</p>
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		<title>By: nobody</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/07/07/another-community-endorses-cyclists-rights-lapd-still-confused-about-them/comment-page-1/#comment-1404</link>
		<dc:creator>nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing. Those in charge of enforcing the law seem to those most likely not to know the law. It&#039;s the same in Portland, NYC, San Fran, etc..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing. Those in charge of enforcing the law seem to those most likely not to know the law. It's the same in Portland, NYC, San Fran, etc..</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, you&#039;re absolutely wrong about asking officers questions.  It does not constitute interference and is legal.  This is the interference code:

Reference: 148. (a) (1) Every person who willfully resists, delays, or obstructs any public officer, peace officer, or an emergency medical technician, as defined in Division 2.5 (commencing with Section 1797) of the Health and Safety Code, in the discharge or attempt to discharge any duty of his or her office or employment, when no other punishment is prescribed, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment. 

Talking to an officer does not fufill any of the above conditions, and is protected by the 1st amendment.  Police are capable of ignoring vocal observers, as Harrington demonstrated by ignoring completely me after we disagreed about the right to observe.  In that sense, he demonstrated a proficiency that his subordinates lacked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, you're absolutely wrong about asking officers questions.  It does not constitute interference and is legal.  This is the interference code:</p>
<p>Reference: 148. (a) (1) Every person who willfully resists, delays, or obstructs any public officer, peace officer, or an emergency medical technician, as defined in Division 2.5 (commencing with Section 1797) of the Health and Safety Code, in the discharge or attempt to discharge any duty of his or her office or employment, when no other punishment is prescribed, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment. </p>
<p>Talking to an officer does not fufill any of the above conditions, and is protected by the 1st amendment.  Police are capable of ignoring vocal observers, as Harrington demonstrated by ignoring completely me after we disagreed about the right to observe.  In that sense, he demonstrated a proficiency that his subordinates lacked.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Harrington is right.  You do not have the right to question officers about the stop.  You do have the right to observe the stop, as long as you do not interfere with the officers.  Take pictures, take video, audio recordings--all good.  Talking to the officers--not good.

If you want to know why the person was stopped, you can inquire at the police station.  But not at the time of the arrest.

Oh, and as an aside, if the officer noticed that you were riding your bicycle without a light, it doesn&#039;t matter that you walked up to him.  If I drive my car without headlights, I can get a ticket.  If the cops see me drive down the street without headlights on and I pull into a parking lot and stop, they can still give me the ticket.

&quot;Educated&quot; Law Enforcement also means that they should know when bicyclists are in the wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Harrington is right.  You do not have the right to question officers about the stop.  You do have the right to observe the stop, as long as you do not interfere with the officers.  Take pictures, take video, audio recordings--all good.  Talking to the officers--not good.</p>
<p>If you want to know why the person was stopped, you can inquire at the police station.  But not at the time of the arrest.</p>
<p>Oh, and as an aside, if the officer noticed that you were riding your bicycle without a light, it doesn't matter that you walked up to him.  If I drive my car without headlights, I can get a ticket.  If the cops see me drive down the street without headlights on and I pull into a parking lot and stop, they can still give me the ticket.</p>
<p>"Educated" Law Enforcement also means that they should know when bicyclists are in the wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Thompson</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/07/07/another-community-endorses-cyclists-rights-lapd-still-confused-about-them/comment-page-1/#comment-1398</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damien, thanks for the write up.  This story has legs, I tell ya.  I wrote that up early this morning, and I left out the interesting detail that I was threatened with arrest.  It wasn&#039;t off hand either.  I swear, the camera and the cell phone made all the difference at that point.  Really ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damien, thanks for the write up.  This story has legs, I tell ya.  I wrote that up early this morning, and I left out the interesting detail that I was threatened with arrest.  It wasn't off hand either.  I swear, the camera and the cell phone made all the difference at that point.  Really ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: brian g</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude, this sucks. I also got arrested for asking a cop why he was arresting another cyclist. Good luck with this, I hope it turns out better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude, this sucks. I also got arrested for asking a cop why he was arresting another cyclist. Good luck with this, I hope it turns out better!</p>
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