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	<title>Comments on: Metro Postpones Decision on LRTP to November.  Advances Sales Tax.</title>
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		<title>By: calwatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>calwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana, credible opposition will occur. It remains to be seen what ACSC will do. Certainly you have the million plus listeners of John and Ken, Doug McIntyre, Kevin James, and the other conservative talk show hosts that will talk this down. 2/3rds is a very high bar. For example, the Baca/Bratton tax also had &quot;no substantial opposition&quot; aside from the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association and the aforementioned talk show hosts. It was also a high turnout, Democratic-leaning electorate (the 2004 general). It still fell 6 points short of passage. Looking at the recent 2008 Los Angeles phone tax renewal, with an electorate that has proven to be very willing to tax themselves, it still fell short of two thirds. The opposition there was HJTA and Walter Moore, but they were dealing with a more liberal electorate than LA County. And, it wasn&#039;t a tax increase, but a continuation of an existing tax! Lucky for the City they only needed majority vote to pass.
The measure is at the end of a VERY long ballot with President, Congress, Assembly, several judges and 11 state ballot propositions. I see voter fatigue at the end which will lead to a lot of undervotes. Once again, doing the math, about a quarter million voters in 2004 (or about 8%) failed to vote for or against the police tax.

You need to tell the average person who drives from their home in the suburbs the average 25-30 minutes to their job in the suburbs why they should vote for the measure. Throwing 20% or less at roads is not going to do it. Baca tried to scare people with the specter of criminals coming into middle class neighborhoods, when talk radio hammered the fact that most of the money was going into the gang-infested areas that many middle class people would just write off anyway. Traffic is the same way. The majority of Angelenos do not commute to one of the big centers which will be served by rail, like Century City, Pasadena, Downtown, LAX/El Segundo, etc. Many of them drive to South Coast Metro, or Santa Clarita, or work in the factories and warehouses along the Alameda Corridor, or in one-off government buildings in Norwalk, Alhambra, Industry, Marina Del Rey, etc. What&#039;s in it for them? With the growth of the service industry, and a lot more 24 hour activities, a lot more people these days don&#039;t work 9-5. They might take transit on the weekends, because weekend congestion is greater. But is it worth one of the highest sales taxes in the Country? And unlike some other high tax areas, California&#039;s income tax isn&#039;t exactly low or nonexistent either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana, credible opposition will occur. It remains to be seen what ACSC will do. Certainly you have the million plus listeners of John and Ken, Doug McIntyre, Kevin James, and the other conservative talk show hosts that will talk this down. 2/3rds is a very high bar. For example, the Baca/Bratton tax also had &#8220;no substantial opposition&#8221; aside from the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association and the aforementioned talk show hosts. It was also a high turnout, Democratic-leaning electorate (the 2004 general). It still fell 6 points short of passage. Looking at the recent 2008 Los Angeles phone tax renewal, with an electorate that has proven to be very willing to tax themselves, it still fell short of two thirds. The opposition there was HJTA and Walter Moore, but they were dealing with a more liberal electorate than LA County. And, it wasn&#8217;t a tax increase, but a continuation of an existing tax! Lucky for the City they only needed majority vote to pass.<br />
The measure is at the end of a VERY long ballot with President, Congress, Assembly, several judges and 11 state ballot propositions. I see voter fatigue at the end which will lead to a lot of undervotes. Once again, doing the math, about a quarter million voters in 2004 (or about 8%) failed to vote for or against the police tax.</p>
<p>You need to tell the average person who drives from their home in the suburbs the average 25-30 minutes to their job in the suburbs why they should vote for the measure. Throwing 20% or less at roads is not going to do it. Baca tried to scare people with the specter of criminals coming into middle class neighborhoods, when talk radio hammered the fact that most of the money was going into the gang-infested areas that many middle class people would just write off anyway. Traffic is the same way. The majority of Angelenos do not commute to one of the big centers which will be served by rail, like Century City, Pasadena, Downtown, LAX/El Segundo, etc. Many of them drive to South Coast Metro, or Santa Clarita, or work in the factories and warehouses along the Alameda Corridor, or in one-off government buildings in Norwalk, Alhambra, Industry, Marina Del Rey, etc. What&#8217;s in it for them? With the growth of the service industry, and a lot more 24 hour activities, a lot more people these days don&#8217;t work 9-5. They might take transit on the weekends, because weekend congestion is greater. But is it worth one of the highest sales taxes in the Country? And unlike some other high tax areas, California&#8217;s income tax isn&#8217;t exactly low or nonexistent either.</p>
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		<title>By: Bronte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dana Gabbard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Gabbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch--I meant $300+ MILLION of federal new starts funding...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch&#8211;I meant $300+ MILLION of federal new starts funding&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Gabbard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Gabbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Weeks mentions the claim that the Foothill extension is &quot;ready to start construction&quot;. Maybe on paper, but that whole project is atop a quicksand of soft ridership estimates that don&#039;t stand up to scruntiny. The talk of a $300+ federal new starts funding for it is a pipedream. That is driving the hysterics of the proponents -- they have to shout because by any rational measure only Pasadena to Azusa will happen anytime soon. Sooner or later they are going to have to accept this essential truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Weeks mentions the claim that the Foothill extension is &#8220;ready to start construction&#8221;. Maybe on paper, but that whole project is atop a quicksand of soft ridership estimates that don&#8217;t stand up to scruntiny. The talk of a $300+ federal new starts funding for it is a pipedream. That is driving the hysterics of the proponents &#8212; they have to shout because by any rational measure only Pasadena to Azusa will happen anytime soon. Sooner or later they are going to have to accept this essential truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Gabbard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Gabbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think the State made a fatal flaw when they set up the MTA by composing the Board of Politicans.&quot;

But local electeds would never allow Metro to exist without being under their thumb. The RTD and LACTC Boards were composed mostly of the appointees of various officials. The old MTA (1958-1962) had a Board appointed by the Governor. The late Pat Moser complained to me that once Governor Pat Brown appointed a campaign contributor who owned parking lots to it.

When the ongoing RTD/LACTC feud forced the creation of Metro via a merger in 1993 the local politicians realized they had ruined the credibility of appointees by allowing the feud to happen so they said to the legislature &quot;Let us sit on tha Board ourself&quot;. All the key power blocks ended up on the Metro Board (County Supervisors, Mayor of L.A., other cities). Basically each composes 1/3 of the Board, so it is balanced to prevent any block from dominating Metro policy making and spending.

Nearly all transit agency boards in California are made up of electeds. The sole exceptions are BART and AC Transit in the bay area, whose Boards are directly elected. I don&#039;t see that happening here unless there is some horrible scandal. That is just the political reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think the State made a fatal flaw when they set up the MTA by composing the Board of Politicans.&#8221;</p>
<p>But local electeds would never allow Metro to exist without being under their thumb. The RTD and LACTC Boards were composed mostly of the appointees of various officials. The old MTA (1958-1962) had a Board appointed by the Governor. The late Pat Moser complained to me that once Governor Pat Brown appointed a campaign contributor who owned parking lots to it.</p>
<p>When the ongoing RTD/LACTC feud forced the creation of Metro via a merger in 1993 the local politicians realized they had ruined the credibility of appointees by allowing the feud to happen so they said to the legislature &#8220;Let us sit on tha Board ourself&#8221;. All the key power blocks ended up on the Metro Board (County Supervisors, Mayor of L.A., other cities). Basically each composes 1/3 of the Board, so it is balanced to prevent any block from dominating Metro policy making and spending.</p>
<p>Nearly all transit agency boards in California are made up of electeds. The sole exceptions are BART and AC Transit in the bay area, whose Boards are directly elected. I don&#8217;t see that happening here unless there is some horrible scandal. That is just the political reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan K. Weeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan K. Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to compliment your summary of the Board Meeting. I was there and found it very hard to follow the action. I think the State made a fatal flaw when they set up the MTA by composing the Board of Politicans. The Board seems disfuntional to me. If the Board had been composed of people knowledgeable in Transportaion we would not have this selfish Tug of War for funding their pet projects. The MTA Board always &quot;Kicks the can down the road&quot; never facing up to hard decisons. The Gold Line extension should have been in the Long Range Plan for 2001. The line is ready to start constructions while the MTA holds the project back until other projects are ready to go four years from now.It is all kind of crazy to me. It is always a &quot;freak show&quot; with the BRU and a few other regulars.

Alan Weeks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to compliment your summary of the Board Meeting. I was there and found it very hard to follow the action. I think the State made a fatal flaw when they set up the MTA by composing the Board of Politicans. The Board seems disfuntional to me. If the Board had been composed of people knowledgeable in Transportaion we would not have this selfish Tug of War for funding their pet projects. The MTA Board always &#8220;Kicks the can down the road&#8221; never facing up to hard decisons. The Gold Line extension should have been in the Long Range Plan for 2001. The line is ready to start constructions while the MTA holds the project back until other projects are ready to go four years from now.It is all kind of crazy to me. It is always a &#8220;freak show&#8221; with the BRU and a few other regulars.</p>
<p>Alan Weeks</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Gabbard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Gabbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gloria Molina is amazing. The ridership for the eastside line doesn&#039;t rate a subway extension. And construction is underway. And she still whines and bitches? And also I heard had to be educated about how the project list interacts with the legislation, etc. while the meeting ground to a halt. She certainly has turned out to be a disappointment.

Amazing how things have changed. I remember when transportation was a political backwater, goods movement an obscure phrase, etc. For the BRU is must be horrifying to no longer monopolize the issue. Other voices and perspectives are coming to the fore. I so far see no substantial opposition to the tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gloria Molina is amazing. The ridership for the eastside line doesn&#8217;t rate a subway extension. And construction is underway. And she still whines and bitches? And also I heard had to be educated about how the project list interacts with the legislation, etc. while the meeting ground to a halt. She certainly has turned out to be a disappointment.</p>
<p>Amazing how things have changed. I remember when transportation was a political backwater, goods movement an obscure phrase, etc. For the BRU is must be horrifying to no longer monopolize the issue. Other voices and perspectives are coming to the fore. I so far see no substantial opposition to the tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Newton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that&#039;s part of what annoyed me.  They could make space for another installment of the John Walsh show and couldn&#039;t find time for any bike advocates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that&#8217;s part of what annoyed me.  They could make space for another installment of the John Walsh show and couldn&#8217;t find time for any bike advocates.</p>
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		<title>By: ingrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>ingrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know! what a meeting!   my three comment cards had no chance of being included over the vociferous screaming of &quot;Mr. Walsh&quot;..... sigh....and the BRU!!!   oh lord, what an education i had today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know! what a meeting!   my three comment cards had no chance of being included over the vociferous screaming of &#8220;Mr. Walsh&#8221;&#8230;.. sigh&#8230;.and the BRU!!!   oh lord, what an education i had today.</p>
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