Comments on: Bus v Bike Incident Highlights Lawlessness of Metro Buses http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/ Covering Los Angeles's livable streets movement Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Enci http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-348521 Enci Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:55:17 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/#comment-348521 John, According to your comment we have met and we treated you like you are some kind of a disease. I'd like to apologizing for that! I don't want to treat anybody that way and I never mean to make anybody feel that way. As to your question about the unlawfulness of a horn, you just hit the nail on the head. Here is California Vehicle Code 27001. (a) The driver of a motor vehicle when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation shall give audible warning with his horn. (b) The horn shall not otherwise be used, except as a theft alarm system which operates as specified in Article 13 (commencing with Section 28085) of this chapter. I know we use the horn for many other reasons however next time you see us on the road, I would rather that you say hi to us some other way then honking your horn. Honking spooks the rider and cyclists can lose control by swerving when they look back. Honking takes the cyclists attention off the road and onto trying to find what is wrong. The horn sounds aggressive and scary when you are on a bike in front of a car, it's much different from what you hear inside the car. And lastly, cyclists are used to being honked at to get out of the way, to get off the road, to move it, and out of anger. So even a friendly honk gets lost in all of the noise. John,

According to your comment we have met and we treated you like you are some kind of a disease. I’d like to apologizing for that! I don’t want to treat anybody that way and I never mean to make anybody feel that way.

As to your question about the unlawfulness of a horn, you just hit the nail on the head.

Here is California Vehicle Code 27001.

(a) The driver of a motor vehicle when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation shall give audible warning with his horn.

(b) The horn shall not otherwise be used, except as a theft alarm system which operates as specified in Article 13 (commencing with Section 28085) of this chapter.

I know we use the horn for many other reasons however next time you see us on the road, I would rather that you say hi to us some other way then honking your horn.

Honking spooks the rider and cyclists can lose control by swerving when they look back. Honking takes the cyclists attention off the road and onto trying to find what is wrong.

The horn sounds aggressive and scary when you are on a bike in front of a car, it’s much different from what you hear inside the car.

And lastly, cyclists are used to being honked at to get out of the way, to get off the road, to move it, and out of anger. So even a friendly honk gets lost in all of the noise.

]]> By: john jacobson http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-348051 john jacobson Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:09:31 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/#comment-348051 i've been reading up on Steve Box because I wanted to know who he was. it seems when i see him or his wife they act like i have a serious disease and let me know it. I don't understand their rules of the bike vs road. is it unlawful to beep your horn and say hi? last and only time i did that his beautiful wife gave me a dirty look and said something to her protective husband. what's wrong with this? i’ve been reading up on Steve Box because I wanted to know who he was. it seems when i see him or his wife they act like i have a serious disease and let me know it. I don’t understand their rules of the bike vs road. is it unlawful to beep your horn and say hi? last and only time i did that his beautiful wife gave me a dirty look and said something to her protective husband. what’s wrong with this?

]]> By: Matthew http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-1002 Matthew Sun, 25 May 2008 18:34:00 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/#comment-1002 This is unfortunate, my experience with bus drivers has always been really good on the road. Heading up to Manchester on La Tijera, the bus drivers have always given me plenty of room (changing lanes to the left if passing, or waiting behind me if sufficiently close to the intersection where they turn), leaving more than enough of a comfort zone. This is unfortunate, my experience with bus drivers has always been really good on the road. Heading up to Manchester on La Tijera, the bus drivers have always given me plenty of room (changing lanes to the left if passing, or waiting behind me if sufficiently close to the intersection where they turn), leaving more than enough of a comfort zone.

]]> By: Jake http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-999 Jake Sun, 25 May 2008 16:13:51 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/#comment-999 It was impressive the perseverance shown by the bicyclist. We have to stick together if we are ever going to make a change. The good news (in some perverted way) is that with gas prices soaring there will soon be more and more of us. Jake http://JustBicycles.com It was impressive the perseverance shown by the bicyclist. We have to stick together if we are ever going to make a change.

The good news (in some perverted way) is that with gas prices soaring there will soon be more and more of us.

Jake
http://JustBicycles.com

]]> By: peter can http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-989 peter can Sat, 24 May 2008 07:03:32 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/#comment-989 Unfortunate event... http://www.sgvtribune.com/ci_9366190 Unfortunate event…

http://www.sgvtribune.com/ci_9366190

]]> By: jerome h. weymouth http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-966 jerome h. weymouth Thu, 22 May 2008 16:46:51 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/#comment-966 Yeah,yeah,yeah, it'ds always the bus drivers fault, but have you been behind the wheel of a Metro bus and seen this so-called eucated bicyclists? They swoöp around the buses, cut in and out , they act like "ÿou better respect me!" Bullshirt! You pencil neck geeks should known how to go around a bus without interferring with the bus pulling out, take the sidewalk, or even better stop the bike and wait for the bus to leave. And anotherr thing communicate with the driver of the bus your about to pass. Do you want an education? Watch the idot that rides down 6th street, weaving in and out of traffic and going around Metro buses. He will get himself killed and you will learn from his mistakes! Yeah,yeah,yeah, it’ds always the bus drivers fault, but have you been behind the wheel of a Metro bus and seen this so-called eucated bicyclists?

They swoöp around the buses, cut in and out , they act like “ÿou better respect me!”

Bullshirt! You pencil neck geeks should known how to go around a bus without interferring with the bus pulling out, take the sidewalk, or even better stop the bike and wait for the bus to leave.

And anotherr thing communicate with the driver of the bus your about to pass.
Do you want an education? Watch the idot that rides down 6th street, weaving in and out of traffic and going around Metro buses. He will get himself killed and you will learn from
his mistakes!

]]> By: ubrayj02 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-952 ubrayj02 Tue, 20 May 2008 15:11:49 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/#comment-952 I am guessing that "jessica" is from Boston? If I was right, I would be wicked clever. I am guessing that “jessica” is from Boston? If I was right, I would be wicked clever.

]]> By: jessica http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-949 jessica Tue, 20 May 2008 03:08:43 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/#comment-949 what a bummer. I'm glad Enci was not hurt. Way to go fighting this fight - it is wicked important issue that metro needs to be accountable for -- but want to give a nod to all the awesome bus drivers out there - believe me there are some. And to me it's a wicked important job, that is too often thankless and overlooked and underpaid - but the dangerous bus drivers must be held accountable, as well as metro's system for logging complaints. what a bummer. I’m glad Enci was not hurt. Way to go fighting this fight – it is wicked important issue that metro needs to be accountable for — but want to give a nod to all the awesome bus drivers out there – believe me there are some. And to me it’s a wicked important job, that is too often thankless and overlooked and underpaid – but the dangerous bus drivers must be held accountable, as well as metro’s system for logging complaints.

]]> By: Enci http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-947 Enci Tue, 20 May 2008 02:23:38 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/#comment-947 I might seem like a magnet but talking to other cyclists it seems that all cyclists are magnets. However, I'm probably one of the very few who report these incidents and who is not backing down. People come into incidents with Metro Bus drivers every day but the system is so cumbersome that most of the cyclists move on, happy to be alive. Of course they end up with an adrenalin rush so high that they make it across town in 30 minutes instead of 60. :-) Through it all I love riding the city and I encourage everybody to get out there and ride! The best thing we can do is ride, ride and ride some more! I might seem like a magnet but talking to other cyclists it seems that all cyclists are magnets.

However, I’m probably one of the very few who report these incidents and who is not backing down.

People come into incidents with Metro Bus drivers every day but the system is so cumbersome that most of the cyclists move on, happy to be alive.

Of course they end up with an adrenalin rush so high that they make it across town in 30 minutes instead of 60. :-)

Through it all I love riding the city and I encourage everybody to get out there and ride!

The best thing we can do is ride, ride and ride some more!

]]> By: david p. http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-944 david p. Tue, 20 May 2008 00:59:14 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/#comment-944 customer service is a never-ending vortex of lost complaints. union issues prevent any one ever finding out about who or what gets on a drivers record. it's a good ole boys network, if there ever was one. customer service is a never-ending vortex of lost complaints. union issues prevent any one ever finding out about who or what gets on a drivers record.

it’s a good ole boys network, if there ever was one.

]]> By: Derek http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-939 Derek Mon, 19 May 2008 22:16:24 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/#comment-939 Of course Metro will make it as hard as possible to complain. They don't want the city to find out and possibly cancel their contract. Of course Metro will make it as hard as possible to complain. They don’t want the city to find out and possibly cancel their contract.

]]> By: Dorothy Le http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-937 Dorothy Le Mon, 19 May 2008 20:53:01 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/#comment-937 wow. that is really messed up. we need to change this. wow. that is really messed up. we need to change this.

]]> By: ubrayj02 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-934 ubrayj02 Mon, 19 May 2008 19:37:00 +0000 http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/#comment-934 Man, if that bus driver told me I was an idiot I'd be like, "Well, you're a bus driver." So I guess we know who would have won that battle. Or maybe I'd sing this song: Hail to the bus driver, Bus driver! Bus driver! Hail to the bus driver, Bus driver man. He drinks and he cusses, and stinks up the busses, Hail to the bus driver, Bus driver man. He steps on the clutch and the toilet goes flush. Hail to the bus driver, Bus driver man. Then I'd adjust the rear view mirrors on my glasses and my bike, cinch up my pant leg(s) and ride on. Man, if that bus driver told me I was an idiot I’d be like, “Well, you’re a bus driver.” So I guess we know who would have won that battle.

Or maybe I’d sing this song:

Hail to the bus driver,
Bus driver!
Bus driver!
Hail to the bus driver,
Bus driver man.

He drinks and he cusses,
and stinks up the busses,
Hail to the bus driver,
Bus driver man.

He steps on the clutch
and the toilet goes flush.
Hail to the bus driver,
Bus driver man.

Then I’d adjust the rear view mirrors on my glasses and my bike, cinch up my pant leg(s) and ride on.

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