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	<title>Comments on: Desert Dispatch Letter Defends SUV&#8217;s and Attacks Carbon Fees</title>
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		<title>By: Rob Dawg</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/04/24/desert-dispatch-letter-defends-suvs-and-attacks-carbon-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-756</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, 
I know my comments rarely make a difference but at least you could have seen that I beat you to the cheap shot.  

Adron,
&lt;i&gt;The freight railroads pay at minimum 95+% of their infrastructure costs,&lt;/i&gt;

Not really.  They have lots of long standing agreements that cut their costs significantly.  Most of the Metrolink Ventura County line was rebuilt for less than free for instance.  And don&#039;t even get me started on property taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,<br />
I know my comments rarely make a difference but at least you could have seen that I beat you to the cheap shot.  </p>
<p>Adron,<br />
<i>The freight railroads pay at minimum 95+% of their infrastructure costs,</i></p>
<p>Not really.  They have lots of long standing agreements that cut their costs significantly.  Most of the Metrolink Ventura County line was rebuilt for less than free for instance.  And don't even get me started on property taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Mercer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Mercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to engage in an ad hominem attack, but...okay, then, I will do one.  This guy had no problem attacking Damien&#039;s age, so, right back atcha, fella.

If this guy is stupid enough to live in Barstow, then why should his opinion be trusted on anything?

There.  That was mean.  And uncalled for.  And I enjoyed it very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to engage in an ad hominem attack, but...okay, then, I will do one.  This guy had no problem attacking Damien's age, so, right back atcha, fella.</p>
<p>If this guy is stupid enough to live in Barstow, then why should his opinion be trusted on anything?</p>
<p>There.  That was mean.  And uncalled for.  And I enjoyed it very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Adron</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/04/24/desert-dispatch-letter-defends-suvs-and-attacks-carbon-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-749</link>
		<dc:creator>Adron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing to even the competitive void and fill in the funding for roads.  Start charging the shipping and freight for the roads.  The freight railroads pay at minimum 95+% of their infrastructure costs, why do the road freight carriers get away with their usage for next to nothing.  I&#039;m doubting they cover more than 10% of their actual usage.  Also the weight of 18 wheelers is vastly above car and SUV weight, they cause well above the majority of the damage to roadways and easily lessen the lifespan of Highways/Interstates/Roads by half of what they could be.

So why does one freight method get off almost free of charges and the other gets railed.  By the time you look at freight railroads vs. trucking it is amazing they&#039;re still in business.  They let Amtrak use their rails for almost nothing, eating up valuable time slots, they have to pay taxes on all that land, 18 wheeler and other road freight does none of this and gets taxed very little.

All that and they&#039;re now in Congress bitching about needed new refineries and other such things because the costs of more expensive &quot;diesal&quot; have hit them so hard.  That&#039;s just bum luck since they&#039;re so inefficient at carrying cargo.  Tough, deal with it, let the system that is more efficient and more cost conscious (rail) easily take care of the long hauls and stick to the shorter drives.

...but I digress...

Road users should cover 100% of their utilization.  Just that change would cause so much more pricing power in transit it would again take over and become a dominant presence.

The amount of money something like Caltrain could make by doubling their ticket prices and still being relatively cheap in comparison to auto use would be massive.

Amtrak would easily be able to reap hundreds of millions of profits even with their inefficient utilization of the system they&#039;re running.

...oh the mind screw of it all.

ugh.

btw - Good blog.  Keep up the interesting material.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing to even the competitive void and fill in the funding for roads.  Start charging the shipping and freight for the roads.  The freight railroads pay at minimum 95+% of their infrastructure costs, why do the road freight carriers get away with their usage for next to nothing.  I'm doubting they cover more than 10% of their actual usage.  Also the weight of 18 wheelers is vastly above car and SUV weight, they cause well above the majority of the damage to roadways and easily lessen the lifespan of Highways/Interstates/Roads by half of what they could be.</p>
<p>So why does one freight method get off almost free of charges and the other gets railed.  By the time you look at freight railroads vs. trucking it is amazing they're still in business.  They let Amtrak use their rails for almost nothing, eating up valuable time slots, they have to pay taxes on all that land, 18 wheeler and other road freight does none of this and gets taxed very little.</p>
<p>All that and they're now in Congress bitching about needed new refineries and other such things because the costs of more expensive "diesal" have hit them so hard.  That's just bum luck since they're so inefficient at carrying cargo.  Tough, deal with it, let the system that is more efficient and more cost conscious (rail) easily take care of the long hauls and stick to the shorter drives.</p>
<p>...but I digress...</p>
<p>Road users should cover 100% of their utilization.  Just that change would cause so much more pricing power in transit it would again take over and become a dominant presence.</p>
<p>The amount of money something like Caltrain could make by doubling their ticket prices and still being relatively cheap in comparison to auto use would be massive.</p>
<p>Amtrak would easily be able to reap hundreds of millions of profits even with their inefficient utilization of the system they're running.</p>
<p>...oh the mind screw of it all.</p>
<p>ugh.</p>
<p>btw - Good blog.  Keep up the interesting material.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhhhh, thanks?  

Actually all I did was correct a  common misperception about SUVs.  

Truth be told i wouldn&#039;t have made half the claims in this letter.  What the designers didn&#039;t count on when designing the IHS and its&#039; associated NHS designees was capacity and commercial transport.  Additionally, while not their fault, they couldn&#039;t do much about the midstream political repurposing to serve city cores contrary to the original desire of the big cities and how the system was envisioned.  

I would mildly support the claim of total life energy tradeoffs and the multiple vehicle for certain trips assertions.  Both have just enough truth to prevent summary dismissal.  

The guy lives in Barstow.  How many of the few he started with could be left?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhhhh, thanks?  </p>
<p>Actually all I did was correct a  common misperception about SUVs.  </p>
<p>Truth be told i wouldn't have made half the claims in this letter.  What the designers didn't count on when designing the IHS and its' associated NHS designees was capacity and commercial transport.  Additionally, while not their fault, they couldn't do much about the midstream political repurposing to serve city cores contrary to the original desire of the big cities and how the system was envisioned.  </p>
<p>I would mildly support the claim of total life energy tradeoffs and the multiple vehicle for certain trips assertions.  Both have just enough truth to prevent summary dismissal.  </p>
<p>The guy lives in Barstow.  How many of the few he started with could be left?</p>
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		<title>By: johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take away a few brain cells and Rob Dawg would sound a lot like this letter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take away a few brain cells and Rob Dawg would sound a lot like this letter.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Dawg</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/04/24/desert-dispatch-letter-defends-suvs-and-attacks-carbon-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-742</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is with their larger tire patch, larger tire diameters, wide stance and longer suspensions SUVs don&#039;t damage road surfaces very much at all.  Combined with their miserable fuel economy they end up being net contributors to the general US highway condition.  

BTW, Al Gore is not a &quot;red herring&quot; just red.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is with their larger tire patch, larger tire diameters, wide stance and longer suspensions SUVs don't damage road surfaces very much at all.  Combined with their miserable fuel economy they end up being net contributors to the general US highway condition.  </p>
<p>BTW, Al Gore is not a "red herring" just red.</p>
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		<title>By: Zane Selvans</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/04/24/desert-dispatch-letter-defends-suvs-and-attacks-carbon-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>Zane Selvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole &quot;small cars are dangerous&quot; meme drives me absolutely insane.  The only plausible reason that small cars could be significantly more dangerous than large cars is because other people are driving large cars.  People frequently comment to me that &quot;bicycling is so dangerous&quot;, but really it&#039;s not the bike that makes it dangerous - it&#039;s the cars you have to &quot;share the road&quot; with.  It&#039;s actually pretty hard to kill yourself with only a bike on flat terrain.

When measuring the &quot;safety&quot; of a vehicle in a regulatory context, we really need a metric that includes not only the consequences for the people inside the vehicle in question, but also the vehicle&#039;s effects on everyone else.  Similarly, what if the fines for moving violations scaled with the mass of your vehicle?  Or even better, its kinetic energy (0.5*m*v*v).  Cyclists should be ticketed for breaking the law, sure, but the average negative consequences of their bad behavior are so much smaller than those of someone in a Hummer it seems ludicrous that they should both be subject to the same fines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole "small cars are dangerous" meme drives me absolutely insane.  The only plausible reason that small cars could be significantly more dangerous than large cars is because other people are driving large cars.  People frequently comment to me that "bicycling is so dangerous", but really it's not the bike that makes it dangerous - it's the cars you have to "share the road" with.  It's actually pretty hard to kill yourself with only a bike on flat terrain.</p>
<p>When measuring the "safety" of a vehicle in a regulatory context, we really need a metric that includes not only the consequences for the people inside the vehicle in question, but also the vehicle's effects on everyone else.  Similarly, what if the fines for moving violations scaled with the mass of your vehicle?  Or even better, its kinetic energy (0.5*m*v*v).  Cyclists should be ticketed for breaking the law, sure, but the average negative consequences of their bad behavior are so much smaller than those of someone in a Hummer it seems ludicrous that they should both be subject to the same fines.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Camino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Camino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this guy.  Ever since I turned 27 I&#039;ve gotten quite sensitive about my age (a sure sign that you&#039;re old), so him complimenting my youth definitely made me feel better about being born in the early 80s.

But other than his acknowledgment of my youth and vibrancy, Nick is wrong on every other account.  His most glaring error is the assumption that I don&#039;t LOVE Del Taco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this guy.  Ever since I turned 27 I've gotten quite sensitive about my age (a sure sign that you're old), so him complimenting my youth definitely made me feel better about being born in the early 80s.</p>
<p>But other than his acknowledgment of my youth and vibrancy, Nick is wrong on every other account.  His most glaring error is the assumption that I don't LOVE Del Taco.</p>
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		<title>By: david p.</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/04/24/desert-dispatch-letter-defends-suvs-and-attacks-carbon-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-737</link>
		<dc:creator>david p.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he&#039;s gotta be an onion editor.  seriously. there&#039;s no way that&#039;s real.

furthermore - i wonder what life is like, for nick benson. seeing things so black and white. it must be really nice to not see the inherent complexities of the world.

with his habits, he&#039;ll be lucky to live to 51, not 91.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he's gotta be an onion editor.  seriously. there's no way that's real.</p>
<p>furthermore - i wonder what life is like, for nick benson. seeing things so black and white. it must be really nice to not see the inherent complexities of the world.</p>
<p>with his habits, he'll be lucky to live to 51, not 91.</p>
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