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	<title>Comments on: Metro Buses Harass Two Bike Advocates</title>
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		<title>By: Enci</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/03/17/metro-buses-harass-two-bike-advocates/comment-page-1/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>Enci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alek and Mark, great comments and recommendations however non of these would have made my situation any different.  

1. I saw that the bus was coming on full speed next to the truck. I looked back to  let the bus driver know that I see him/her. She still came at me with full speed, squeezing me into the parked cars.

2. There was no bus stop for this Rapid. If I see a bus stop with people waiting, I usually take the lane and move out to the left of the lane to let the bus driver know that they can merge into the curb.

3. None of these suggestions would have helped me with the car incident where the driver cut me off. I&#039;m still bruised and I can&#039;t use my left arm.

4. I always write down the number of the busses (route and id #, time of day, direction and intersection) but it has not gotten me far. I report them, I get an email back saying that they will talk to their drivers and that&#039;s about it. 

I want these drivers fired and I want these incidents to get onto their driving record! I ride the bus all the time, with my bike and sometimes without. I always try to make friends with the drivers and I report the good and considerate ones as well to reinforce good behavior. 

But drivers who endanger the life of others need to be punished. Maybe we should put them on a bike on a busy street and put them in front of one of their own buses. Topanga has an equestrians/mountain cyclists program. Maybe there could be a bus/urban cyclist program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alek and Mark, great comments and recommendations however non of these would have made my situation any different.  </p>
<p>1. I saw that the bus was coming on full speed next to the truck. I looked back to  let the bus driver know that I see him/her. She still came at me with full speed, squeezing me into the parked cars.</p>
<p>2. There was no bus stop for this Rapid. If I see a bus stop with people waiting, I usually take the lane and move out to the left of the lane to let the bus driver know that they can merge into the curb.</p>
<p>3. None of these suggestions would have helped me with the car incident where the driver cut me off. I&#8217;m still bruised and I can&#8217;t use my left arm.</p>
<p>4. I always write down the number of the busses (route and id #, time of day, direction and intersection) but it has not gotten me far. I report them, I get an email back saying that they will talk to their drivers and that&#8217;s about it. </p>
<p>I want these drivers fired and I want these incidents to get onto their driving record! I ride the bus all the time, with my bike and sometimes without. I always try to make friends with the drivers and I report the good and considerate ones as well to reinforce good behavior. </p>
<p>But drivers who endanger the life of others need to be punished. Maybe we should put them on a bike on a busy street and put them in front of one of their own buses. Topanga has an equestrians/mountain cyclists program. Maybe there could be a bus/urban cyclist program.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Panitz</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/03/17/metro-buses-harass-two-bike-advocates/comment-page-1/#comment-444</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Panitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bike and buses 
I am a bike rider myself as well as a frequently bus rider and I&#039;m also on the Metro Accessiblity
Access committee (we deal mostly access issues
on metro buses,
if you call customer relations metro will listen
to you and follow up on your complaint
(but it helps to have the coach number and line number and time of day (and if possible the run
number which is the 1 or 2 digit number that you
see if you are loading or unloading your bike
from the bike rack)
when I approach a bus stop and know bus is behind me -I let the bus pass me (maybe
I might hop on the sidewalk (which is legal
in Los Angeles) to pass the bus on the sidewalk() I will never pass a stopped bus
(well unless it broke down)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bike and buses<br />
I am a bike rider myself as well as a frequently bus rider and I&#8217;m also on the Metro Accessiblity<br />
Access committee (we deal mostly access issues<br />
on metro buses,<br />
if you call customer relations metro will listen<br />
to you and follow up on your complaint<br />
(but it helps to have the coach number and line number and time of day (and if possible the run<br />
number which is the 1 or 2 digit number that you<br />
see if you are loading or unloading your bike<br />
from the bike rack)<br />
when I approach a bus stop and know bus is behind me -I let the bus pass me (maybe<br />
I might hop on the sidewalk (which is legal<br />
in Los Angeles) to pass the bus on the sidewalk() I will never pass a stopped bus<br />
(well unless it broke down)</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Camino</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/03/17/metro-buses-harass-two-bike-advocates/comment-page-1/#comment-443</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Camino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good call re: rear view mirrors Alek.  I think I&#039;m going to invest in some.  My bike is shamelessly oriented to city comfort riding... got a big basket, cushy seat, mud flags, bell, and soon... rear view mirror!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good call re: rear view mirrors Alek.  I think I&#8217;m going to invest in some.  My bike is shamelessly oriented to city comfort riding&#8230; got a big basket, cushy seat, mud flags, bell, and soon&#8230; rear view mirror!</p>
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		<title>By: Alek F</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/03/17/metro-buses-harass-two-bike-advocates/comment-page-1/#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>Alek F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, very disturbing stories...
What I can also recommend for cyclists: please obtain rear-view mirrors. They can be a life-saver. If you were to use a rear-view mirror, you could see approaching 18-wheeler and a bus much earlier (not the last moment!)
I&#039;m a biker with 17+ years of experience, and... honestly - couldn&#039;t imagine cycling on our city streets without rear-view mirrors. I think this is a must for anybody who rides on the roads.
Good luck to you all!
Alek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, very disturbing stories&#8230;<br />
What I can also recommend for cyclists: please obtain rear-view mirrors. They can be a life-saver. If you were to use a rear-view mirror, you could see approaching 18-wheeler and a bus much earlier (not the last moment!)<br />
I&#8217;m a biker with 17+ years of experience, and&#8230; honestly &#8211; couldn&#8217;t imagine cycling on our city streets without rear-view mirrors. I think this is a must for anybody who rides on the roads.<br />
Good luck to you all!<br />
Alek</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a good idea, but I&#039;ve found one thing that will SUPREMELY PISS OFF any bus driver: messing with their rear view mirrors.

When you catch them at a stop, pull up on the drivers side. Grab those big mirrors on the side and twist them out of position.

Gets &#039;em every time.

If you want to avoid conflict, I would advise being aware of any upcoming bus stops (usually near intersections). When you near a bus stop, either accelerate to let the bus pull over, or slow down to let the bus pull over.

Looking at the driver and making it known that you will respect their need to dump passengers (or pick them up) usually results in a good relationship as you both make your way down a large thoroughfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a good idea, but I&#8217;ve found one thing that will SUPREMELY PISS OFF any bus driver: messing with their rear view mirrors.</p>
<p>When you catch them at a stop, pull up on the drivers side. Grab those big mirrors on the side and twist them out of position.</p>
<p>Gets &#8216;em every time.</p>
<p>If you want to avoid conflict, I would advise being aware of any upcoming bus stops (usually near intersections). When you near a bus stop, either accelerate to let the bus pull over, or slow down to let the bus pull over.</p>
<p>Looking at the driver and making it known that you will respect their need to dump passengers (or pick them up) usually results in a good relationship as you both make your way down a large thoroughfare.</p>
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		<title>By: david p.</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/03/17/metro-buses-harass-two-bike-advocates/comment-page-1/#comment-430</link>
		<dc:creator>david p.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve, my &quot;slower speed&quot; comment was pertaining to traffic overall - not buses.

on my ride home from work, i leave downtown on my bike, or i could catch the #33 up venice.

if i take the #33 - that&#039;s an extra half an hour of travel time.

so i&#039;m well aware that many times on bikes we are faster than buses and cars in the macro sense, but in the immediate, roaring your engines, we are slower.

hence my point, there are good bus drivers who are tolerant of our &quot;relative&quot; (and immediate) slower speed.

happy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve, my &#8220;slower speed&#8221; comment was pertaining to traffic overall &#8211; not buses.</p>
<p>on my ride home from work, i leave downtown on my bike, or i could catch the #33 up venice.</p>
<p>if i take the #33 &#8211; that&#8217;s an extra half an hour of travel time.</p>
<p>so i&#8217;m well aware that many times on bikes we are faster than buses and cars in the macro sense, but in the immediate, roaring your engines, we are slower.</p>
<p>hence my point, there are good bus drivers who are tolerant of our &#8220;relative&#8221; (and immediate) slower speed.</p>
<p>happy?</p>
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		<title>By: SoapBoxLA</title>
		<link>http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/03/17/metro-buses-harass-two-bike-advocates/comment-page-1/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>SoapBoxLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David p. writes: &quot;there are also some good operators out there, and ones who know to give us space and are patient with our slower speed.&quot;

Last week I rode to Hollywood &amp; Vermont to catch a bus. I missed the bus by seconds. No worries! I&#039;ll just ride south on Vermont and catch it at the next stop. Again, I just missed it by seconds. As luck would have it, I kept hitting red lights and the bus kept sliding through on yellows.

Eventually just decided to keep riding to my destination at 85th and Vermont. The bus and I were neck and neck all the way.

My point is this, when it&#039;s all said and done, cyclists aren&#039;t really traveling slower than the buses, we just don&#039;t accelerate and brake to such extremes as the operators of buses (and other vehicles) do. 

Studies show that moderate and consistent speeds result in greater throughput than rapid acceleration and deacceleration. 

More cyclists! Moderate speeds! Greater capacity! Safer streets!

&quot;See you on the Streets!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David p. writes: &#8220;there are also some good operators out there, and ones who know to give us space and are patient with our slower speed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Last week I rode to Hollywood &amp; Vermont to catch a bus. I missed the bus by seconds. No worries! I&#8217;ll just ride south on Vermont and catch it at the next stop. Again, I just missed it by seconds. As luck would have it, I kept hitting red lights and the bus kept sliding through on yellows.</p>
<p>Eventually just decided to keep riding to my destination at 85th and Vermont. The bus and I were neck and neck all the way.</p>
<p>My point is this, when it&#8217;s all said and done, cyclists aren&#8217;t really traveling slower than the buses, we just don&#8217;t accelerate and brake to such extremes as the operators of buses (and other vehicles) do. </p>
<p>Studies show that moderate and consistent speeds result in greater throughput than rapid acceleration and deacceleration. </p>
<p>More cyclists! Moderate speeds! Greater capacity! Safer streets!</p>
<p>&#8220;See you on the Streets!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: david p.</title>
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		<dc:creator>david p.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s unfortunate when this happens.  bus operators - like every group of people - have good ones and bad ones.

i&#039;ve had really close calls, and have been the victim of really bad driving by bus operators, both on metro and commuter express lines.

every time something bad happens, i file complaints.  i&#039;m not sure where they go - but, at least i&#039;ve done my part.  i&#039;m not sure what else there is i can do.

there are also some good operators out there, and ones who know to give us space and are patient with our slower speed.  it&#039;s just the jerks that inevitably end up defining them, much like the behavioral outliers of all groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s unfortunate when this happens.  bus operators &#8211; like every group of people &#8211; have good ones and bad ones.</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve had really close calls, and have been the victim of really bad driving by bus operators, both on metro and commuter express lines.</p>
<p>every time something bad happens, i file complaints.  i&#8217;m not sure where they go &#8211; but, at least i&#8217;ve done my part.  i&#8217;m not sure what else there is i can do.</p>
<p>there are also some good operators out there, and ones who know to give us space and are patient with our slower speed.  it&#8217;s just the jerks that inevitably end up defining them, much like the behavioral outliers of all groups.</p>
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